France has another day over a thousand deaths.

Countries don't decide shit for where products are made. Does Japan tell Nintendo or Sony (or US gov't to Microsoft) they can't make their game systems in China? No, they don't, and they won't be able to.

All that will happen after this is countries will ensure in an emergency situation they have contingency plans to rapidly speed up manufacture of a few select items ... hospital gowns/masks, ventilators, and testing equipment.

But that's a tiny fraction of things to manufacture in the grand scheme of things, how many ventilators can you manufacture a year from now when this has passed, it will be pointless and nationalized factories for that sort of thing will just be shut down. Everything else will just continue on being made where it was.

That sounds stupid.
You need to have a stockpile ready (a huge one), for another outbreak like this one, at all times just laying around.
Dont ever touch it, its there ONLY for virus outbreaks (which will be more common in future).

If you "wait" until its too late, to start "rapidly speed up manufactureing" its already too late.

You need to have a plan in place, and labs ready to be manned, and personal ready to be called on, when a outbreak hits.
So you can start testing on mass scale really early into it.  Makeing excuses about expenses, of keeping such around, is beyound silly at this point.
It would cost a peanuts compaired to what most probably spend on say military instead.

Also yes, in europe you could easily via laws, proclaim that X,Y,Z products, needed by health care, have to be made in europe (ei. dont buy them outsides of europe), and then contract someone to get producting in place for it.  I dont see why you couldnt do the same in the US.

Stuff like PPE, and certain life dependent medicin, just doesnt make sense to have it all made in china.
When sh*t hits the fan, you need to make sure you have the ability to protect yourselves.
All that production should be moved back out of china.

Why place national secury and the life/death of your citizens into the hands of the chinese? if you dont have too.
Naturally there should be laws preventing this.


"But that's a tiny fraction of things to manufacture in the grand scheme of things, how many ventilators can you manufacture a year from now when this has passed, it will be pointless and nationalized factories for that sort of thing will just be shut down. Everything else will just continue on being made where it was."

^ with how much most countries waste on so many other things, thats a very pessimistic view to take.
Also write into law, the health care system, need to use their own made PPE/Ventilators ect, and boom, suddenly the manufactureing plants, dont really cost much of anything to keep running. They also create jobs.

Man, I know my USA is getting hit hard these days....I'm just glad we got the CDC. They rock.

From their website:

Cases in U.S.
On This Page

U.S. at a Glance
New Weekly COVID-19 Surveillance Report
States Reporting Cases to CDC
Cumulative Curve: U.S. Cases by Report Date
Epi Curve: U.S. Cases by Illness Onset
Cases Reported to CDC

Updated April 3, 2020

This page will be updated daily. Numbers close out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting.

***On Saturday and Sunday, the numbers in COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance and the figure describing the cumulative total number of COVID-19 cases in the United States will be updated. These numbers are preliminary and have not been confirmed by state and territorial health departments. CDC will update weekend numbers the following Monday to reflect health department updates.***

New Data Available: CDC publishes COVIDView: a weekly surveillance summary of U.S. COVID-19 activity.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

Glad I don't live in countries like India, Russia, North Korea, Iran, and of course: China.

I agree with you 100% Spoke....Now how about an updated chart my friend....We are waiting...

Australia isn't doing to bad... We already had minimal PPE supplies thanks to the national bushfire crisis, so P2 masks were already low in stock.

Things like Hand Sanitizer we have hundreds of barrels worth... But the containers that we bottle it into is... *drumroll* made in China.

It doesn't help that Trump downplayed the entire thing from the very start, so the USA probably didn't see fit to start preparing hard and early.

I have worked in the health industry and now work in the emergency services.

You are correct they don't control where shit gets produced... HOWEVER. Any competent organization/agency that deals with the welfare of human beings to any extent tends to have substantial strategically located caches of supplies to perform their primary functions.

It seems the United States hasn't done this to the same extent as other nations... Which I find ironic, because they have large fuel reserves locally in order to mitigate issues in procuring fuel supplies but not PPE?

That is just blatant incompetence.

Should be ordered by cases per million people so its easier to spot what states have the biggest outbreak for their size.

This is a pretty interesting way to graph things: https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/

This video explains how the graph works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XLXg4fYsc

This also shows that most countries do not fudge their numbers, because they probably wouldn't do it in a way, that still they line up that perfectly.

France started counting people outside hospitals a few days ago.

Also note that the UK isnt counting everyone who dies. They're only counting people who die in the hospitals and are given permission to be counted by family. 

Yeah UK is only saying those "confirmed cases" (tested before death) have been counted.
Ontop of that, only those in hospitals "count" , ei. we know this was "due to covid19".

Other places in the UK, they probably just noticed a person pass away and put it down as "pneumonia" or something else.
Also keeping tract of infection numbers, and deaths, is a full time job, so they appearntly dont count "all the time".  Think of it like the guy keeping track, only does so from 9 to 5, after that, its not counted.

Also they appearently need "family permissions" to be given now, before they count them.
Basically UK numbers are crappy, you cant use them for anything.