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Bofferbrauer2 on 28 March 2020
Snoopy said:
John2290 said:

After all this, you still don't understand the fundamental issue. Shame on you Snoopy.

You don't understand the fundamental issue, we are going to have a lot more deaths than the coronavirus if the economy goes under. Im saving people, while you try to sabotage everyone's life.

And why does the economy go under? Because the US don't have any social safety net like virtually the entire rest of the world because that sounds like communism to some people there.

And you're not saving people. You're just trading one group of people for another. Mainly, you would trade a couple depressed for lots of poor people who won't be able to afford treatment for Covid-19.

So yes, you really don't understand the issue at hand. Worse, you think a minor issue is bigger than this one because you can't grasp the whole extent of it.



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LurkerJ on 28 March 2020
SvennoJ said:
Snoopy said:

Corona virus update : It still over blown!!!!! People, we are seeing a death rate of about 1.3% and probably much lower than that because there are a lot more people who have the virus, but haven't been tested to be part of that statistic. If you're old stay at home, if you're young go out and have fun!!!

Just be careful not to get into an accident or any other illness because the health care system is currently has better things to do. Oh and don't worry about killing off the 15% of the elderly and causing a lot of those over 30 to get severely ill. Most of them will survive anyway bar some lung scarring.

How many deaths and burned out health care workers does it take to take this seriously? I hope you're joking.

Compared to the flu, last year estimate 34K deaths in the USA, avg 109 a day, USA was averaging over 300 a day already in Covid deaths 2 days ago. Europe was averaging over 2200 deaths daily, 2 days ago. 72K is the estimated Flu burden for Europe, as of yesterday 18.8K people have already died of covid19 in Europe. Even just this first wave will kill more people in a fraction of the time than the flu spreading uncontrolled.

Maybe people will start to take hygiene and the flu shot seriously after we get through this.

At one point you will have to wonder how these high measures will affect the economy, jobs, employment rates across the globe when the vast majority of the global population lives pay cheque to pay cheque. It's easier for us to imagine our big governments printing them moneys and saving the day, but what sort of destabilisation these lockdowns will lead to in third world countries that lack the flexible autonomy to take any meaningful shock-absorbing measures against such economical crash. I don't believe we're being fed the full picture here, and the question" is the cure worse than the disease" will only be more legitimate on a global level. 

Unless you want to start the world on a universal basic income program, I am sure the youngsters would take scarred lungs over poverty destabalised nations.

Edit: and to clarify, I am not against or for. It is a serious issue and it's worth looking into the outcome of the decisions being made.



COKTOE on 28 March 2020
Metallox said:
This shite is killing the restaurant industry in my city, and there are only 8 cases so far. My mother's cafeteria is getting deserted, though there's been a substantial increase in UberEats and to go orders. I never imagined the virus would've such an impact this early into the pandemic.

I'm also growing anxious because my mother has rheumatoid arthritis and a very poor immune system, if she caught the thing, complications would surely arise, I think.

Good to hear she's still getting business. Considering her health, the transition to take-out and delivery is only a good thing.

For what little it's worth, I hope she's OK.



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LurkerJ on 28 March 2020
Eagle367 said:
LurkerJ said:

Hate these "number of cases" counters when most people get mild symptoms and most of us don't get tested. Not even NHS staff are being tested at the moment. The confirmed number of cases don't reflect real numbers and it's utterly meaningless to even report on. What's the effing point?

And it just baffles me that we all these western governments are caught with their pants pulled down when the virus is called COVID 2019, why the hell did you wait until 2020 to realize you don't have enough ventilators and beds? it's all so odd... The people, the politicians and the governments had seen the signs of what's going to happen and no sufficient actions were taken, and no one wants to bear the consequences, such a disgusting display of humane childishness entitlement and hysteria.

Oh and when did China become credible enough to actually believe their numbers? When they admittedly withheld and actively silenced health care providers for trying to speak out. Odd.

Happy camping though, introverts are loving life these days

Calm down and take a deep breath. The confirmed cases give us the trendline of how things are going, if not the actual number. They are very useful in identifying hotspots as well. 

And very useless in calculating the mortality rate and other rates but everyone's doing it and the media is spreading panic across the globe using flawed stats. Surely we can agree the masses aren't looking at these numbers and saying "oh that's not an accurate number but it's useful in identifying hotspots", puh lease. 

Oh and I am very calm, with post-covid immunity and all. 



haxxiy on 28 March 2020
John2290 said:
Snoopy said:

You don't understand the fundamental issue, we are going to have a lot more deaths than the coronavirus if the economy goes under. Im saving people, while you try to sabotage everyone's life.

And if you let the virus run rampant or even fail to contain it within a certain margin the health system goes -> essential workforce dies -> essential services suddenly drop -> Economy crashes -> Civil unrest -> Billions die in the course of a year. The problem is two sided, we are on one side right now and I know the otherside well enough to see the danger. Fact is the moment the virus got out of control we started walking a tightrope of survival and we have a certain amount of time to cross before we get fatigued, there is no speeding things up and we can't go back the other way. We either balance across or well fall. Your suggestion that society lets the virus have it's way just gets us destroyed faster, a global depression is preferable over instant collapse and we can only hope that that is the worst of it. We are at natures mercy wheter you accept that or not it doesn't change the rwality of it. 

Calm down dude. It's an epidemic of pneumonia for the unlucky few, not the goddamn Black Death. On all likehood, no business is losing more than 1% of its workforce, and even if every worker would get sick at once, most would be back within 7 - 10 days.

Back in 1918, economic effects were negligible in most places and it took literally a third of all adults dying in the worst affected place of all we know - Samoa - to cause a minor famine the next year (since it was a rural, manual subsistence economy), and that was it in the end.

If you are that worried, why don't you go and catch the virus on purpose? To do your part and face the 0.2% death rate in your age group to be able to go back to normality certainly sounds preferable than the risk of "billions dying" you envision.



 

 

 

 

 

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JRPGfan on 28 March 2020
John2290 said:
^ The fuck is a twix. Sounds like a niche sexual term.

Its like a copy product of a Kit-kat candy bar.

Its a european product? I think, its great, tastes better imo.



LurkerJ on 28 March 2020
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Snoopy said:

You don't understand the fundamental issue, we are going to have a lot more deaths than the coronavirus if the economy goes under. Im saving people, while you try to sabotage everyone's life.

And why does the economy go under? Because the US don't have any social safety net like virtually the entire rest of the world because that sounds like communism to some people there.

And you're not saving people. You're just trading one group of people for another. Mainly, you would trade a couple depressed for lots of poor people who won't be able to afford treatment for Covid-19.

So yes, you really don't understand the issue at hand. Worse, you think a minor issue is bigger than this one because you can't grasp the whole extent of it.

The US can LITERALLY snap its fingers and create a universal basic income program that covers all of its citizens, hardly anyone would oppose it under today's circumstances.

And get off your high horse, it's safe to say that hardly anyone "grasp the whole extent of it" when just weeks ago this was a non-issue to most people, politicians and governments. 



Chris Hu on 28 March 2020
John2290 said:
^ The fuck is a twix. Sounds like a niche sexual term.

Twix is a candy bar made by Mars Inc. its pretty much a global brand like Coca Cola and Pepsi.  I'm pretty sure they sell them in stores where you live also.



EricHiggin on 28 March 2020
Chris Hu said:
John2290 said:
^ The fuck is a twix. Sounds like a niche sexual term.

Twix is a candy bar made by Mars Inc. its pretty much a global brand like Coca Cola and Pepsi.  I'm pretty sure they sell them in stores where you live also.

Twix (slogan) : It's all in the mix

Swinger's I tell ya...



JRPGfan on 28 March 2020
LurkerJ said:
Eagle367 said:

And very useless in calculating the mortality rate and other rates but everyone's doing it and the media is spreading panic across the globe using flawed stats. Surely we can agree the masses aren't looking at these numbers and saying "oh that's not an accurate number but it's useful in identifying hotspots", puh lease. 

Oh and I am very calm, with post-covid immunity and all. 

14 days ago, there was ~2700+ cases of confirmed infected in the USA.
Now 14 days lateron, and the USA is at 122,273 confirmed infected.

14 days and it went from 2700 -> 122,000 (in the US).

Want to take a guess where it goes from here, if you pick economy over trying to use social distance + shutdown + aggressive testing to put it out?

How many in the USA get it, 2 months further down the road, if you dont try to stop its spread now?

Theres still states in the US, that arn't even in full lockdowns yet (22 out of the 50, from what I read a day or two ago).


Your really not worried at all?

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 28 March 2020