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NightlyPoe said:

New York's healthcare system is finally starting to not meet the stress.  Here's hoping the increased capacity comes online soon.

Its not even close, to stressed yet.

Cuomo said theres 53,000+ hospital beds (and their working towards getting 140,000 beds).
Currently covid-19 only has 7,328 "extra" people hospitalised (in new york state) + 1,755 ICU patients.

New York has had 52,000+ confirmed cases.
7,328 hospitalised (~14,1%) (% might rise in days to come, cuz its early into it).

Shouldn't be a issue yet.


Edit:
Even the ventilator thingy isnt a issue yet.  
1755 covid patients on ventilators out of 3000+ (with 4,000 extra in stock).
1755/7000 = more than fine.

^ the sucky news, is that once your on a ventilator with covid-19, your survival rate drops down below 50%.

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RolStoppable said:

I don't think it's necessary that the people of any country have to care about what happens to jobs in other countries. Keeping their eyes on their own country is enough to recognize that unemployment numbers are rising at a much faster pace than confirmed corona cases.

In Austria we have reached five digit figures for corona infections this week while the number of newly recorded unemployed people over the course of the last two weeks has comfortably exceeded 100,000. The likelihood to be someone or know someone who lost their job is far higher than to be someone or know someone who is infected by corona. I think that's going to hold true in every country and that's why the perception of what is important and what should be done will change rather quickly. The currently prevalent solidarity to save lives will change to an expected payback, such as those risk groups who are now being supported being asked to show solidarity in return by opting to isolate themselves while the majority can begin to return to their normal lives.

Easter Monday being a deadline in quite a few countries is bound to be a catalyst too. When people can't spend time with relatives and/or friends during Easter, then the demand among the population to lift/change the measures will be amplified, because enough is enough.

This is a big part of the reason why it got to this point and will get much worse. The only way to stop it is to stop it early. However then everyone would have been crying that it is/was not necessary so that path was not taken. Plus most people couldn't imagine what exponential growth actually entails, most still can't. 

Currently we're in the hammer phase, it can still be slowed like Italy shows. If everyone actually does their part it will be stopped dead in its tracks in a couple weeks, it doesn't have to take longer than the max incubation time. However the numbers are still too low for a lot of people to think of it as anything more than a nasty flu. Perhaps instead of numbers the news should show what's going in Italy in the hospitals. But that would cause other people to panic more again and do stupid things at the other end of the spectrum. Humanity sucks, we can't get together to execute a solution that will work.

Easter Monday is 16 days from now, with current growth rates in Europe and the USA, Easter Sunday will be adding 320K new cases to Europe that day and 21K deaths that day, 286K new cases for the USA and 5300 deaths. It should be much less than that since social distancing is having some effect already but it's only been a few days since France extended the lock down to the rest of the country while many places are still not all that serious about enforcing/encouraging social distancing. It's going to grow until Easter at least.

If everyone does their part, stuff can go back to relatively normal in a month. However we may already be too late to have a normal left to go back to. The health care system in Italy and Spain are already suffering major losses.

Yet if people keep at the notion that it's not necessary, worse for the economy, and keep going on about as usual, it will only take longer and do exponentially more damage, both to the people and to the economy.

And how well is your economy going to do when other countries isolate you to save themselves from re-infection?



JRPGfan said:
NightlyPoe said:

New York's healthcare system is finally starting to not meet the stress.  Here's hoping the increased capacity comes online soon.

Its not even close, to stressed yet.

Cuomo said theres 53,000+ hospital beds (and their working towards getting 140,000 beds).
Currently covid-19 only has 7,328 "extra" people hospitalised (in new york state) + 1,755 ICU patients.

New York has had 52,000+ confirmed cases.
7,328 hospitalised (~14,1%) (% might rise in days to come, cuz its early into it).

Shouldn't be a issue yet.


Edit:
Even the ventilator thingy isnt a issue yet.  
1755 covid patients on ventilators out of 3000+ (with 4,000 extra in stock).
1755/7000 = more than fine.

^ the sucky news, is that once your on a ventilator with covid-19, your survival rate drops down below 50%.

how many of these beds/ICUs/ventilators are currently in use by ppl that don't have covid-19 though?



Lafiel said:
JRPGfan said:

Its not even close, to stressed yet.

Cuomo said theres 53,000+ hospital beds (and their working towards getting 140,000 beds).
Currently covid-19 only has 7,328 "extra" people hospitalised (in new york state) + 1,755 ICU patients.

New York has had 52,000+ confirmed cases.
7,328 hospitalised (~14,1%) (% might rise in days to come, cuz its early into it).

Shouldn't be a issue yet.


Edit:
Even the ventilator thingy isnt a issue yet.  
1755 covid patients on ventilators out of 3000+ (with 4,000 extra in stock).
1755/7000 = more than fine.

^ the sucky news, is that once your on a ventilator with covid-19, your survival rate drops down below 50%.

how many of these beds/ICUs/ventilators are currently in use by ppl that don't have covid-19 though?

No idea.... probably slightly less than normally are, I would guess.

Why take the risk of doing surgeries ect, now when hosptials start filling up with covid patients.
So less than normal, but probably not "none".



RolStoppable said:
Everything feels surreal right now. I can't believe that I still live. The virus is out there and it can only be a matter of time until the vast majority of the population is infected. Healthcare doesn't have the capacities to treat everyone, so only the rich and important people will see their lives saved.

I can ensure you... If you are in Australia, that will not be the case.
As a first responder and on the front lines... We don't give a shit how big your wallet is.

RolStoppable said:

People are scared, John. It's not the right time to go all out. Or go out in general.

The VGChartz community has been preparing this for years to come it seems.

Snoopy said:

Corona virus update : It still over blown!!!!! People, we are seeing a death rate of about 1.3% and probably much lower than that because there are a lot more people who have the virus, but haven't been tested to be part of that statistic. If you're old stay at home, if you're young go out and have fun!!!

It's not overblown... It's mortality rate for the elderly, disabled and those with compromised immune systems (I.E. Chemo patients) is pretty damn high.

The mortality rate for the younger, fitter and healthy is negligible. - However we need to retain our distancing and keep exposure to a minimum so as not to pass the disease on to those who are more at risk.

Basically... We need to stop being selfish and think of others. - We should all be capable of doing that.

haxxiy said:

To be fair, though, our pandemic of the century is peas next to every other one that preceeded it. Let alone average life less than a century ago, when we had to deal with endemic measles and tuberculosis - which together were worse than a perpetual Covid-19 pandemic, in terms of how many people died every single year.

Of course, statistics never convey the impact of personal tragedies that each of these deaths represent...

To also be fair... The last Pandemic the worlds population wasn't as large or as dense it is currently, which has aided the spread.
Our interlocking global economies which promoted convenient travel expedited the issue.

In short... Even with a lower mortality rate, the number of TOTAL deaths can be equal or higher than past scenarios.

LurkerJ said:

The US can LITERALLY snap its fingers and create a universal basic income program that covers all of its citizens, hardly anyone would oppose it under today's circumstances.

And get off your high horse, it's safe to say that hardly anyone "grasp the whole extent of it" when just weeks ago this was a non-issue to most people, politicians and governments. 

Let's be realistic... That won't happen, the populace of the USA will cry that it is "socialism" and a waste of tax payer money, they would rather give tax breaks to big business and the rich.

Let's see how the big business and the rich does when no one can afford to buy anything... Because the price of everything increased, jobs have been lost.




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Snoopy said:

Corona virus update : It still over blown!!!!! People, we are seeing a death rate of about 1.3% and probably much lower than that because there are a lot more people who have the virus, but haven't been tested to be part of that statistic. If you're old stay at home, if you're young go out and have fun!!!

This has to be one of the most stupid advices I have ever heard in my life. How old are your parents and grandparents? I guess you don't have anyone in your family that you care about since you are willing to put their lives in danger just because you want to "go out and have fun."

Oh, and btw, if you get sick, even if you don't die, you will still be forced to be in bed for a few weeks, so you won't be able to "go out and have fun" anyways.



John2290 said:
Chris Hu said:

Twix is a candy bar made by Mars Inc. its pretty much a global brand like Coca Cola and Pepsi.  I'm pretty sure they sell them in stores where you live also.

Oh yeah, I know of twix. Guess I'm not a twix kinda guy that the brand recognition didn't click. Caramel is worse than Covid, tbh. 

Caramel by itself isn't that great but caramel inside candy bars is pretty good.  That being said I prefer Snickers over Twix.  As far as stuff made by Mars Inc. I actually like Starbusts and Skittles better then their candy bars.



Ryuu96 said:
Snoopy said:

Corona virus update : It still over blown!!!!! People, we are seeing a death rate of about 1.3% and probably much lower than that because there are a lot more people who have the virus, but haven't been tested to be part of that statistic. If you're old stay at home, if you're young go out and have fun!!!

Yeah, no.

This is ridiculously stupid advice, everyone ignore Snoopy.

Straight to a thread ban, I don't want to see stupid advice that could put lives in danger.

Agreed. I to think that the mortality ratio is lower than reported due to people self isolating and showing no symptoms. I actually "want" the virus simply to build immunity, I'm also young and healthy but that simply isn't the point.

You risk infecting someone not in your position. Someone elderly and/or with underlying heath issues they potentially don't even know about. Could you live with yourself if you were responsible for infecting and killing someone? I couldn't.



CaptainExplosion said:
The media's praising Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg for donating $25 million towards fighting the virus, despite that being more like $20 for them.

We're in the middle of a fucking pandemic and that's ALL they're giving us? Cheapskate parasites.

How much have you donated?



CaptainExplosion said:
ironmanDX said:

How much have you donated?

That's not the point. The point is they donated way less than they needed too.

Those who have more should give more, and these people have barely given at all.

Not to mention (to no surprise at all) Jeff Bezos made a fortune selling stocks in wake of the pandemic. He's an even bigger parasite.

They have given more. They gave $25 million dollars.

It's not the point? You've donated nothing?