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Everquest. Everquest 2 could never replace it. Everquest is still going, Torment of Velious, its 26th expansion, released a few days ago. The game has now been running for 2 decades, it released March 1999.



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Trials of Mana. That was the peak of its series.

Tales of Vesperia was probably peak Tales. That was the last game that had a full world map and the unadulterated influence of Team Symphonia. The ones since have been mostly good, but they haven't made it to the level of either Vesperia or Symphonia. Maybe Arise will be the Tales series' Monster Hunter World in terms of impact.

Eidos-era Tomb Raider peaked with Tomb Raider 2. After that the series sank like a stone until the 2013 reboot.

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SanAndreasX said:

Trials of Mana. That was the peak of its series.

Tales of Vesperia was probably peak Tales. That was the last game that had a full world map and the unadulterated influence of Team Symphonia. The ones since have been mostly good, but they haven't made it to the level of either Vesperia or Symphonia. Maybe Arise will be the Tales series' Monster Hunter World in terms of impact.

Eidos-era Tomb Raider peaked with Tomb Raider 2. After that the series sank like a stone until the 2013 reboot.

I think that Symphonia was the peak for Tales, but I also liked Vesperia alot.  Only other one I played was Abyss which was incredibly meh.  Oh and Symphonia 2 which was shit.



SanAndreasX said:

Trials of Mana. That was the peak of its series.

Tales of Vesperia was probably peak Tales. That was the last game that had a full world map and the unadulterated influence of Team Symphonia. The ones since have been mostly good, but they haven't made it to the level of either Vesperia or Symphonia. Maybe Arise will be the Tales series' Monster Hunter World in terms of impact.

Eidos-era Tomb Raider peaked with Tomb Raider 2. After that the series sank like a stone until the 2013 reboot.

Where is the love for Children of Mana? I agree though, the Mana series needs a good new game to follow up the remake of Trials. Agree with Tales too, Symphonia and Vesperia seem to stand out a whole lot more than any of the others to me.



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Landale_Star said:
Farsala said:
Dynasty Warriors 3. It was the peak too early, all they had to do was keep making more just like it with slight improvements and they tried with DW4 and DW5. But then they actively made it worse with each entry, with the pit being DW6. It has been a slight incline ever since, but they still have yet to come even close to the peak again.

I partially agree, DW2 was ok, enough to get me interested but DW3 really improved upon everything making me a fan and I was very happy with 4 and 5 and picked up the Samurai Warriors games too. However, I was really let down by DW6 and that led to me mostly leaving the Warriors games alone (though I did really enjoy Warriors Orochi 2 on the PSP and sunk many hours into it).

But then recently, I found DW6 was on PS Now (which I was already subscribed to) and gave it a go. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it, even though it killed most of my interest in these games. I'm sure it's still worse than other entries but I think I've probably become more relaxed about certain things and now I can get some enjoyment out of it at last.

Not sure if I'll try some of the other ones though.

You should! As far as I'm concerned 7 made up for the disappointment of 6, and then some! Better than any DW before it IMO. And then 8 was even better than that! So at the very least I'd say give 7 and/or 8 a go.



Bet Shiken that COD would outsell Battlefield in 2018. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8749702

Reading some of these - I think BioShock.

The original was heralded as a game that saved and refreshed single-player FPS games. It was one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time.

The pressure of living up to the original may have created development issues and sky-high costs with Infinite. I thought it was a fantastic game that stood on its own. But at the end of the day, it didn't perform well enough to keep Irrational Games alive.



Metal Gear Solid. I don't think the rest of the MGS games are bad , far from it-- it's just... There's something great and special about the first one and this is not present in the other games. I don't know how to explain exactly, but... I think it's the atmosphere, music and the overall aesthetics of the game. I know it sounds weird but seeing the low poly characters with the weird PS1 warp textures is great, and... I think it really adds to the atmosphere of the game? The soundtrack is really different from the other games too, probably because they changed the composers. So... yeah. Metal Gear Solid.



JWeinCom said:
SanAndreasX said:

Trials of Mana. That was the peak of its series.

Tales of Vesperia was probably peak Tales. That was the last game that had a full world map and the unadulterated influence of Team Symphonia. The ones since have been mostly good, but they haven't made it to the level of either Vesperia or Symphonia. Maybe Arise will be the Tales series' Monster Hunter World in terms of impact.

Eidos-era Tomb Raider peaked with Tomb Raider 2. After that the series sank like a stone until the 2013 reboot.

I think that Symphonia was the peak for Tales, but I also liked Vesperia alot.  Only other one I played was Abyss which was incredibly meh.  Oh and Symphonia 2 which was shit.

Symphonia is my favorite as well,  but Vesperia came very, very close. They also nailed the presentation. Graces was when they started using paths between major areas instead of a proper world map. I've liked most of the games since then, but I really want to either see another Vesperia or see Arise have a drawn-to-scale world map along the lines of the last two console Dragon Quest games. 

Landale_Star said:

Where is the love for Children of Mana? I agree though, the Mana series needs a good new game to follow up the remake of Trials. Agree with Tales too, Symphonia and Vesperia seem to stand out a whole lot more than any of the others to me.

I never played CoM, but I definitely was not impressed with either Legend or Dawn of Mana. I did enjoy Sword of Mana, the remake of FFA, because it was redone in the style of Trials, though I definitely wouldn't say it's as good as Trials.



Xenosaga was not only a huge step down from Xenogears, but the series itself went steadily downhill from the first episode. Xenoblade Chronicles more than redeemed the Xeno meta series, however.