Forums - Gaming Discussion - Mysterious SONY cartridge patent for Playstation device; "new handled or a costume SSD for PS5 ??? "

What is this ?

PS Vita 2 cartridge 4 16.00%
 
Sony PS5 proprietary SSD 15 60.00%
 
New VHS 3 12.00%
 
Sony going retro 2 8.00%
 
PSVR 2 cartridge 1 4.00%
 
Total:25

This is actually pretty damn exciting. I don't think Switch-like capabilities by PS5 could really be kept under wraps, which makes this even more mysterious.



Around the Network
zero129 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Why? Well to have a proprietary device which only Sony sells instead of using off-the-shelf SSD - at premium prices, of course.

This, This and so much this. I love when I see people try to hype up this like its the 2nd coming of SSD tech. I guess all Sony's other proprietary tech was so much better than their counterpart UMD, Sony memory sticks, etc. This is just a way Sony can charge you god only knows how much for an SSD drive so you can't just go buy a cheaper SSD drive for your PS5. Well at least until someone makes an adapter like with the Vita memory cards.

The thing is, SSDs aren't all the same spec.

A low cost SSD is much much much slower than a 2019 high-end model and by all we heard up until now Sony intends to use something that uses PCIe 4.0 spec and wants the devs to be able to make full use of this speed. Insomniac made a 1 hour presentation on how they had to limit their streaming elements a ton because ppl were slapping low performing (yes, even lower than stock) HDDs into their PS4s - a scenario Sony seems keen to avoid this time especially as the rift between low end SSDs (hardly better than regular HDDs) and high-end ones is gigantic.



Mockup



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Leynos said:

Mockup

They shouldn't have SSD labels if we don't know what they actually are, tho



Pemalite said:
HollyGamer said:

EDIT ; https://www.techradar.com/reviews/samsung-970-evo-plus

below is samsung spec of read and write 

This is Sony propetry SSD tech that possibly the solution for PS5

Sony has 10 GB read and write, it's fast even when you comparing it to Samsung 970 evo 

3.5GB/s is only the start of what the PC can do.
Have an array and you can easily have 42GB/s of SSD bandwidth.

In saying that, the Samsung 970 Evo isn't the fastest PC SSD anyway, it's only PCI-E 3.0 for starters... So your comparison is blatantly false to start with

"CURRENT MARKET " Sony said is faster then the current market SSD, which is true after all and i am always right 



Around the Network
Bofferbrauer2 said:
HollyGamer said:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps5-a-patent-dive-into-what-might-be-the-tech-behind-sonys-ssd-customisations-technical.118587/

You will not find any Nvme like this on the market 

EDIT: why would Sony bothered making a patent for it or even customize it, if it's not to cut the cost , making it more  accessible or make it even faster

If sony using normal Nvme for PS5  they will not make any patent, or making any statement.  

Why? Well to have a proprietary device which only Sony sells instead of using off-the-shelf SSD - at premium prices, of course.

??? Did blu Ray expensives , Did DVD expensives . Not all the things made by Sony are expensive . Also why would they one to fuck their product . Also their newest statement said they want all PS4 player to move to PS5 as fast as possible, which is lead an affordable console's on mind. 

They are not stupid, unless you have a weird opinion with Sony or Playstation as brand. 



BraLoD said:
Leynos said:

Mockup

They shouldn't have SSD labels if we don't know what they actually are, tho

I didn't make it



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

zero129 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Why? Well to have a proprietary device which only Sony sells instead of using off-the-shelf SSD - at premium prices, of course.

This, This and so much this. I love when I see people try to hype up this like its the 2nd coming of SSD tech. I guess all Sony's other proprietary tech was so much better than their counterpart UMD, Sony memory sticks, etc. This is just a way Sony can charge you god only knows how much for an SSD drive so you can't just go buy a cheaper SSD drive for your PS5. Well at least until someone makes an adapter like with the Vita memory cards.

The problem is no one is talking is a second coming of SSD tech, i also need to remind you that Sony has their own memory tech patent which is  Re -Dram it is better then stack memory tech the current SSD's has, although it's still more expenses then normal DRAM  . 

Not all proprietary will be expensives, nor proprietary means you all need to pay for. Also my suggestion it's for expandable storage  that connected directly through some proprietary fast connector instead directly open to the PCi- bus on PC/ PS5 Motherboard. PS4 are easier because they are using SATA , a faster SSDs for PS5 required a NVme that directly connected to the Mobo. That will be difficult to non PC especially casual. That's why they came with this solution. 



HollyGamer said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Why? Well to have a proprietary device which only Sony sells instead of using off-the-shelf SSD - at premium prices, of course.

??? Did blu Ray expensives , Did DVD expensives . Not all the things made by Sony are expensive . Also why would they one to fuck their product . Also their newest statement said they want all PS4 player to move to PS5 as fast as possible, which is lead an affordable console's on mind. 

They are not stupid, unless you have a weird opinion with Sony or Playstation as brand. 

Blu Ray is not a Sony thing only. Panasonic, Pioneer, Phillips, and others were partners in developing it. Sony did not make DVD alone. Panasonic, Samsung, Toshiba. Phillips were all again partners. As a reminder, Panasonic also provided discs and drives to Nintendo systems. Sony has a history of its own proprietary storage that is more expensive or just not widely used. Beta Tapes. MiniDiscs. Memory Sticks and as for why Sony could screw over their own product? See UMDs and Vita Memory cards. The latter still costs several times more than a standard Micro SD card. $90 gets me a 400GB Micro SD Card. $80 bucks get me a 64GB Vita memory card. PS3 early on was very expensive partly because of the Blu Ray drive. At $600 it was the cheapest on the market. That is not cheap. PS2 with DVD cost $100 more than Dreamcast or Gamecube because of it.

Last edited by Leynos - on 16 November 2019

Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Leynos said:
HollyGamer said:

??? Did blu Ray expensives , Did DVD expensives . Not all the things made by Sony are expensive . Also why would they one to fuck their product . Also their newest statement said they want all PS4 player to move to PS5 as fast as possible, which is lead an affordable console's on mind. 

They are not stupid, unless you have a weird opinion with Sony or Playstation as brand. 

Blu Ray is not a Sony thing only. Panasonic, Pioneer, Phillips, and others were partners in developing it. Sony did not make DVD alone. Panasonic, Samsung, Toshiba. Phillips were all again partners. As a reminder, Panasonic also provided discs and drives to Nintendo systems. Sony has a history of its own proprietary storage that is more expensive or just not widely used. Beta Tapes. MiniDiscs. Memory Sticks and as for why Sony could screw over their own product? See UMDs and Vita Memory cards. The latter still costs several times more than a standard Micro SD card. $90 gets me a 400GB Micro SD Card. $80 bucks get me a 64GB Vita memory card. PS3 early on was very expensive partly because of the Blu Ray drive. At $600 it was the cheapest on the market. That is not cheap. PS2 with DVD cost $100 more than Dreamcast or Gamecube because of it.

The problem here, this proprietary SSDs is not a new tech nor different from every other SSD's  except some few minor improvement and additional connector . When you see other patent from Sony , they have some modification to make it even more faster and have it's own CPU to have faster reading. Probably it will be slightly more expensives, but i bet it will not be like Vita was where every gamer need to have one as mandatory . This proprietary  will help standardize the speed of SSD for PS5 because all games will be build based on SSD's ( unlike last gen where HDD is none factor). Game developer need to have one quality standard so every games will run the sames quality . Also Sony are likely to remove difficulty for PS gamer who are not found by opening PS to upgrade their Hard disc. Nvme or PC-i SSDs will be even harder to upgrade because they need direct connector to M.2 slot which is why they are making a solution for it.