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gamingsoul said:

1. Italy it’s much smaller than the USA, I think it may even be smaller than Texas.

Exactly.  A lot easier to protect small countries.  

gamingsoul said:

2.the Mediterranean isn’t far away from Africa, so you have many ships that smuggle people, have you not seen the news?

Terrain also makes a big difference in how easy it is to stop illegal immigration.  

Flat terrain = high visibility = easy to catch

Mountainous terrain = low visibility = hard to catch

gamingsoul said:

3. I understand your noble intentions, but you cannot reward illegal behavior, why would these people want to improve the quality of their life in their respective countries if the USA hands them free stuff, remember entering illegally a country is a crime, anyone who claims asylum most follow the legal procedures established by the UN.

the USA isn’t the nanny of the world and how long until the tax payers cannot sustain that flawed system.

>you cannot reward illegal behavior

-It's not rewarding illegal behavior.  It's applying the same rights to everyone.  Other rights are protected regardless of citizenship.  

-Most importantly you're conflating illegality with morality.  Just because something is illegal, doesn't make it bad.  It just means that the area had some reason to pass a law.  

- you can't have universal healthcare without also covering non-citizens.  Universal healthcare is important because otherwise you end up with costs that aren't getting covered.  

>why would these people want to improve the quality of their life in their respective countries if the USA hands them free stuff

-People aren't leaving their families and friends and their country for free stuff.

-Most of those countries literally already provide that "free stuff".

> anyone who claims asylum most follow the legal procedures established by the UN.

You don't have to enter legally, to apply for asylum.  Asylum can be applied for regardless of status.  That is the law.  

>the USA isn’t the nanny of the world

-No one said it was.

-nanny of the world doesn't even make sense in this context, because again most countries already offer universal healthcare

>how long until the tax payers cannot sustain that flawed system.

And i'm sure you are also fighting against the billions of dollars that go towards oil subsidies.  



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the-pi-guy said:

gamingsoul said:

1. Italy it’s much smaller than the USA, I think it may even be smaller than Texas.

Exactly.  A lot easier to protect small countries.  

gamingsoul said:

2.the Mediterranean isn’t far away from Africa, so you have many ships that smuggle people, have you not seen the news?

Terrain also makes a big difference in how easy it is to stop illegal immigration.  

Flat terrain = high visibility = easy to catch

Mountainous terrain = low visibility = hard to catch

gamingsoul said:

3. I understand your noble intentions, but you cannot reward illegal behavior, why would these people want to improve the quality of their life in their respective countries if the USA hands them free stuff, remember entering illegally a country is a crime, anyone who claims asylum most follow the legal procedures established by the UN.

the USA isn’t the nanny of the world and how long until the tax payers cannot sustain that flawed system.

>you cannot reward illegal behavior

-It's not rewarding illegal behavior.  It's applying the same rights to everyone.  Other rights are protected regardless of citizenship.  

-Most importantly you're conflating illegality with morality.  Just because something is illegal, doesn't make it bad.  It just means that the area had some reason to pass a law.  

- you can't have universal healthcare without also covering non-citizens.  Universal healthcare is important because otherwise you end up with costs that aren't getting covered.  

>why would these people want to improve the quality of their life in their respective countries if the USA hands them free stuff

-People aren't leaving their families and friends and their country for free stuff.

-Most of those countries literally already provide that "free stuff".

> anyone who claims asylum most follow the legal procedures established by the UN.

You don't have to enter legally, to apply for asylum.  Asylum can be applied for regardless of status.  That is the law.  

>the USA isn’t the nanny of the world

-No one said it was.

-nanny of the world doesn't even make sense in this context, because again most countries already offer universal healthcare

>how long until the tax payers cannot sustain that flawed system.

And i'm sure you are also fighting against the billions of dollars that go towards oil subsidies.  

Sorry but I respectfully disagree with everything you just said.



gamingsoul said:

Sorry but I respectfully disagree with everything you just said.

Considering a good portion of that was fact, you can't just "disagree".  



the-pi-guy said:
Mr Puggsly said:

>dems are pretty much saying they want open borders

No they aren't. 

>support the idea of free healthcare for illegals

Just like Republicans supported emergency healthcare for illegals.

>Hence, they're making promises you only hope they wouldn't actually attempt.

yes, those impossible promises that nearly every western country on the planet has successfully implemented.

> Hence, the open border thing we have and push for free stuff isn't really that compatible

Illegal immigrants aren't even eligible for most free stuff.  

>especially when we already spend far more than the taxes collected

Our spending is a big mix of things.  Why not blame the military, which we spend 10x on that compared to food stamps.  

gamingsoul said:
Mateo Salvini is against massive immigration, I heard he is very popular right now in Italy, so why can’t The USA protect themselves from illegal immigrants? All dem candidates raised their hands when asked if they wanted free health care for illegals.

Italy doesn't have thousands of miles of border.  They also don't have a direct land border that connects directly with a line of poorer countries.  

>All dem candidates raised their hands when asked if they wanted free health care for illegals.

It's almost like illegals are still people, who deserve certain rights.  

Dems are absolutely encouraging people to cross over and have become opposed to kicking people out, they even defend criminals among them. Many examples out there.

I dont care what republicans may have supported, I'm personally opposed to using tax money this way. I mean we can't bitch about tariffs while supporting candidates that want big tax hikes on everybody.

The way democrats push social welfare programs is little like how Europe or. Canada does it. Democrats often want to go well beyond in ways that would be significantly more expensive. Which is why they often evede how to pay for it questions.

Cities and states vary on benefits illegals can benefit from. Maybe thats partly why people are leaving democrat run cities in droves. A lot of federal money also goes to the handling and caring of illegals, many billions.

I dont necessarily support the massive military budget nor do I support the food stamp program in a strong economy. We have a strong military partly as means of avoiding war and sometimes policing the world. While social welfare being used by healthy people viable for work is pathetic. Also, there would be less poverty if women were more responsible about who cums in them.

If its not our job to police the world why is it our job to provide healthcare for the world? Fuck that, maybe Europe can cover that bill.



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the-pi-guy said:
gamingsoul said:

Sorry but I respectfully disagree with everything you just said.

Considering a good portion of that was fact, you can't just "disagree".  

Your definite of “facts” it’s very “interesting” to say the least.

i am out, I already said what I wanted to say.



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Mr Puggsly said:

Dems are absolutely encouraging people to cross over and have become opposed to kicking people out, they even defend criminals among them. Many examples out there.

Show me some examples of any of this.  

Mr Puggsly said:

I dont care what republicans may have supported, I'm personally opposed to using tax money this way. I mean we can't bitch about tariffs while supporting candidates that want big tax hikes on everybody.

>I'm personally opposed to using tax money this way

Republicans have already helped make it so that tax money is being used that way.  

>I mean we can't bitch about tariffs while supporting candidates that want big tax hikes on everybody.

Tariffs hurt the low end. Dems support raising taxes on the upper class.  Not everybody.  

Mr Puggsly said:

The way democrats push social welfare programs is little like how Europe or. Canada does it. Democrats often want to go well beyond in ways that would be significantly more expensive. Which is why they often evede how to pay for it questions.

>The way democrats push social welfare programs is little like how Europe or. Canada does it

And how do you think it differs?

>Which is why they often evede how to pay for it questions.

It's because Conservatives worry more about taxes, than they do about spending.  

The average conservative is convinced that $10,000 in taxes is worse than spending $12,000 ($5000 in healthcare + $7000 in taxes)

Mr Puggsly said:

Cities and states vary on benefits illegals can benefit from. Maybe thats partly why people are leaving democrat run cities in droves. A lot of federal money also goes to the handling and caring of illegals, many billions.

>Maybe thats partly why people are leaving democrat run cities in droves.

This always gets said.  "People are leaving California in droves".
Despite that, California's population grows quickly.  

>A lot of federal money also goes to the handling and caring of illegals, many billions.

Even the largest estimate of federal spending by a conservative, estimated that the biggest expense was education.  Illegals aren't personally getting billions from the government.  

Mr Puggsly said:

I dont necessarily support the massive military budget nor do I support the food stamp program in a strong economy. We have a strong military partly as means of avoiding war and sometimes policing the world. While social welfare being used by healthy people viable for work is pathetic. Also, there would be less poverty if women were more responsible about who cums in them.

>While social welfare being used by healthy people viable for work is pathetic.

The idea that there are millions of people are getting welfare because they aren't working is false.  A lot of "welfare" programs require that you are working or are temporary.  

Mr Puggsly said:

If its not our job to police the world why is it our job to provide healthcare for the world? Fuck that, maybe Europe can cover that bill.

>why is it our job to provide healthcare for the world?

No one said it was.  

Literally no one.  

The only thing going on is a discussion about providing healthcare for people in the United States.  



gamingsoul said:
the-pi-guy said:

Considering a good portion of that was fact, you can't just "disagree".  

Your definite of “facts” it’s very “interesting” to say the least.

i am out, I already said what I wanted to say.

A few of the facts in my above post:

>You don't have to enter legally, to apply for asylum.  Asylum can be applied for regardless of status.  That is the law.  

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/questions-and-answers-asylum-eligibility-and-applications

>nanny of the world doesn't even make sense in this context, because again most countries already offer universal healthcare

>billions of dollars that go towards oil subsidies



Don't ever believe that taxes to the super rich or corporations won't flow down to you.
Most of people here are complaining about the tax on China imports because the customers is going to pay. If you put taxes of the corporations or shareholders that will flow down to products, wages or prices one way or another. If the price or profit isn't sustainable because of the taxes they go away (like it happened to production leaving USA), or start investing in public bonds of countries that pay good on it without much risk or any other way that makes they money.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mr Puggsly said:

Also, there would be less poverty if women were more responsible about who cums in them.

Both the man and woman are responsible for intentional pregnancies. Not just the woman.
But if a woman doesn't want go get pregnant, unwanted pregnancies are primarily caused by the irresponsible ejaculations of men.

Men frequently pressure women to have sex without a condom. And are willing to risk getting a woman pregnant — which means literally risking her life, her health, her social status, her relationships, and her career, just so that they can experience a few minutes of _slightly_ more pleasure.
Men regularly choose to put women at massive risk by having non-condom sex, in order to experience a few minutes of slightly more pleasure. And during the c.a. 2 days each month when a woman even can get pregnant. Because it's not enough for them to have unprotected sex during the safe days.

While for women having a condom is not just much safer (don't have to take other forms of birth control with dangerous side effects), but much more convenient for them as well. (Much easier to clean up afterwards, etc.)

So it's interesting that you only pointed a finger at women.

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Hiku said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Also, there would be less poverty if women were more responsible about who cums in them.

Both the man and woman are responsible for intentional pregnancies. Not just the woman.
But if a woman doesn't want go get pregnant, unwanted pregnancies are primarily caused by the irresponsible ejaculations of men.

Men frequently pressure women to have sex without a condom. And are willing to risk getting a woman pregnant — which means literally risking her life, her health, her social status, her relationships, and her career, just so that they can experience a few minutes of _slightly_ more pleasure.
Men regularly choose to put women at massive risk by having non-condom sex, in order to experience a few minutes of slightly more pleasure. And during the c.a. 2 days each month when a woman even can get pregnant. Because it's not enough for them to have unprotected sex during the safe days.

While for women having a condom is not just much safer (don't have to take other forms of birth control with dangerous side effects), but much more convenient for them as well. (Much easier to clean up afterwards, etc.)

So it's interesting that you only pointed a finger at women.

And here I though woman had a say in the subject. Seems like everything is the fault of the man.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."