Of course "every single journalist" is a hyperbole, Fox for example wouldn't be so much against trump as CNN.

But I don't see you attacking the generalization of every economist. Strange that isn't it?

And also have you accepted that most newspapers did put Trump as a menace? Much higher menace than Hillary as well?

Seems like a very bad thing for USA =p

I dislike taxes a lot, but because of the very high import taxes (that make brazilians pay more for iphones and playstations than anywhere else in the world) Foxconn have manufacturing here for iPhone and Sony+MS for PS4 and X1.

Companies will all look for the cheapest place, but if the tax is applied to all that come to China then "all companies" would leave there for a different place. Prices would rise, but they wouldn't lose competion advantage because all would be affeted.

So your problem is with the hyperbole, but only one of them. Ok.

Tariffs are always bad. I saw remove the tarofs from China but China also had to remove the tarifs they got on the US. Should go both ways.

While I disaprove of the slave labor they are using its up to them to reside what's acceptable in their own nations.

China should respect the intellectual properties of private industries. If they keep making things hard and basicly stealing others hard work eventually others will see it difficult to make business with them for fear of losing ownership of their IPs and then China droping prices to half.

That is something that has already have been improved and will only get better,also they did/do a lot of "slave labor" for products of western owned companies so what do we as consumers want to buy at a cost that is fair for everyone involved with the product? It is conflicting.

Hard to do when they're sovereign states so the only thing to do is to make it as hard as possible for our new partners for them to grow ... 

I wasn't making a straw man anyways ... 

Not arguing we shouldn't have several viable options but at the same time we should be more careful next time about our keys to modern civilization ... 

Nope, that's not how this works. Just because companies and media outlets say something and push propaganda for their own corporate interest doesn't make it true.

"That’s the conclusion of a new paper from EconPol Europe, a network of researchers in the European Union. U.S. companies and consumers will only pay 4.5 percent more after the nation imposed 25 percent tariffs on $250 billion of Chinese goods, and the other 20.5 percent toll will fall on Chinese producers, according to authors Benedikt Zoller-Rydzek and Gabriel Felbermayr."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-19/china-is-paying-for-most-of-trump-s-trade-war-research-says?utm_content=business&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic

Also, you see that Nintendo has moved some of its switch production out of China. So the switches that Nintendo wants to send to the USA, will be made elsewhere while still manufacturing in China for other countries. That's what companies do, sure companies would rather stay in China, moving ain't free. But China manufacturing vs other countries in south east Asia isn't that big of a deal.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/12/18662508/nintendo-switch-new-models-china-manufacturing-trade-war

For 2 years most media outlets claimed that Trump tariffs would lead to higher prices for US consumers. That doesn't seem to be the case, partly due to lower fuel/energy costs. There's also the fact that China attempts to counter by subsidizing the industries affected and adopting monetary policies which devalue their currency.

"Imports by Locality of Origin: The price index for imports from China edged down 0.1 percent in May following a 0.2-percent drop the previous month. Import prices from China have not recorded a monthly advance since the index rose 0.1 percent in May 2018. Prices for imports from China declined 1.4 percent over the past year, the largest 12-month drop since a 1.6-percent decrease in February 2017."

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/ximpim.nr0.htm

Consumer pricing is very complicated, lots goes into. You also have inflation, price fixing and controlled markets which plays a substantial role. You know if a company selling a product for $5 closes up shop in the US and reopens in Mexico just to make some more $$, they're still gonna try to sell that same item for $5. Why pay John $8 an hour when you could pay Juan $5 a day instead?

The Chinese originally didn't want to seriously negotiate because they have such a great deal, why would/should they accept something worse? They just wanted to play delay games hoping nothing would really change/happen thinking that they can just wait out Trump. Tariffs seem to actually be bringing them to the table. Who knows.

If it were up to me, we wouldn't be trading with China at all, they would be heavily sanctioned.

My grievances with China - Slave labor(seems like people only care about domestic slavery and not when it happens overseas and makes them cheap junk), oppressive/controlling government, they have real concentration camps, are always breaking UN sanctions, supporting horrible anti-American regimes like Maudro in Venezuala and Kim in North Korea, Stealing IP, forcing companies to transfer over their IP to operate/sell in china and other horribly unfair trade practices, various substantial hacks like the one on the OPM, etc...

Imagine if the US demanded a reciprocal trade deal with super protectionist China. Yeah, we'll take the same deal you are giving us. Imagine how they would respond.

What am I saying here... I meant to say China is the best country in the world and we all need to stop bullying them and trying to block their success. It's not okay to act out against China because you are jealous of what they have accomplished, it's just a bad look for you. So, we should all feel ashamed and atone by  taking an active roll in helping them achieve their Made in China 2025 objective.

What sanctions, on what they should do as a country?

If it is non of UN bussiness then it should not be that big of deal breaking them.

I'm suggesting voting for the party actively hurting people and shitting on YOUR HOBBY specifically might not be the smartest idea.

That the best you can come up with to defend your clearly self defeating position is how much you don't like the other guys is telling...

You had to go and get pissy at the idea of free healthcare, which is something that I, living in any oher Western country, already enjoy.

Oh, and wouldn't be a Trump supporter post without fear mongering about the immigrants 🤡🤡🤡

Ya know... gaming is not really my priority. Also, spending more on hardware isn't really gonna have a big impact on me. Gaming has actually gotten cheaper over the years when you talk software prices. In a nutshell, cheap electronics doesn't ease my concerns regarding China.

Your western country probably isn't as inefficient with spending or dealing with a virtually open border like the US. Hence, I'm really not interested in giving more money/power to THIS government. Use you head for a moment, dems are pretty much saying they want open borders and support the idea of free healthcare for illegals. Its not even a debate about free healthcare anymore, I'm opposed to these terrible ideas which would be awful in practice because they wouldn't be able to fund it (i.e. bad healthcare for everyone). Hence, they're making promises you only hope they wouldn't actually attempt.

We certainly take a lot more immigrants that Italy, assuming that's where you're actually from. Which is actually okay, but many people flooding in illegally is hard to defend and I doubt you will attempt to do that.