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KManX89 said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Yeah, like it's just that easy. Snap of the finger and suddenly the big 3 can start manufacturing in the U.S. when all their infrastructure is in China -_- 

IKR? Imagine believing this.

And imagine believing the tariffs have ANYTHING to do with working conditions in China.

I hope this kills Donnie Dumb Dumb's reelection bid. Whoever the Democratic nominee is needs to run this shit home in ads.

You know you don't have a leg to walk on when the companies affected by China's IP theft are saying they'd rather have their patents copied and every single economist says it's a bad idea.

Yes sure they prefer their IP being robbed, next week they will go to the office and free all their patents for global use.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Here is the issue:

1) no country plays fair. It's not like other countries won't have under paid workers and horrible working conditions. Some of these countries are committing genocide as we speak and also lack true democracy.

2) it's not just about video games. It is phones, video games console, games, pretty much most electronics. It is important to care about your country, but essentially, everyone is America is going to feel the pinch when the cost of most their electronics go up.

3) whether China is democratic or not bares little to no importance considering most countries, democratic or not have dirty secrets, sullied pasts. America still has issues with ethnic minorities. Black people are still suffering, America is still make deals with barbarians such as the Saudi family and spending billions every year on Israel and the war in the middle East.

There is no right or wrong and the trade war is more about what trump and a few rich people at the top can get out of it than the people of the country.

Of people were really genuine about slave labour etc and how the Chinese operate, they would have boycott Chinese products long before this trade war.

Last but not least, if this goes ahead, then there is the question of how much the revenue will drop in the states from the drop in sales of Chinese electrics and other products and if this drop in revenue will outweigh the profits from the higher taxes.

How much money will be lost via grey markets and will neighbouring countries pick up these profits instead.



Tulipanzo said:
Just another reminder that voting for Trump means hurting everyone, including yourself.

Enjoy more expensive and weaker consoles!

Are you suggesting we vote for the other party that wants to spend trillions on soical justice programs?

So open the borders and give everyone who enters health care. But hopefully that will be after we forgive over a trillion in college debt to our educated elite.

Are you hobestly assessing both parties? At best the dems are making big promises they dont actually plan on pursuing.



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DonFerrari said:
KManX89 said:

IKR? Imagine believing this.

And imagine believing the tariffs have ANYTHING to do with working conditions in China.

I hope this kills Donnie Dumb Dumb's reelection bid. Whoever the Democratic nominee is needs to run this shit home in ads.

You know you don't have a leg to walk on when the companies affected by China's IP theft are saying they'd rather have their patents copied and every single economist says it's a bad idea.

Yes sure they prefer their IP being robbed, next week they will go to the office and free all their patents for global use.

Seeing how they're actively telling Trump not to pursue the tariffs (as is every single economist), yeah, clearly they do prefer it.  



KManX89 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes sure they prefer their IP being robbed, next week they will go to the office and free all their patents for global use.

Seeing how they're actively telling Trump not to pursue the tariffs (as is every single economist), yeah, clearly they do prefer it.  

So it's suposition. For most companies IP is the most important advantage, they certainly would have more success finding a cheap place that respects IPs than to have every company in the world able to copy them.

The funny thing about every single economist (besides being able to find at least one that wouldn't agree) is also that we had "every single jornalist" saying how Trump would doom america and cause 3rd WW, etc. Didn't happen.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
KManX89 said:

Seeing how they're actively telling Trump not to pursue the tariffs (as is every single economist), yeah, clearly they do prefer it.  

So it's suposition. For most companies IP is the most important advantage, they certainly would have more success finding a cheap place that respects IPs than to have every company in the world able to copy them.

The funny thing about every single economist (besides being able to find at least one that wouldn't agree) is also that we had "every single jornalist" saying how Trump would doom america and cause 3rd WW, etc. Didn't happen.

You should ask yourself why American companies have chosen China for production and stuck with them for so long despite the risk of getting their knowledge copied. It's because low production costs are more important to them than anything else, so naturally they are against tariffs because that undermines their entire system of producing cheap in China and being able to have good prices in the USA. If tariffs were introduced, they would have to rise the prices of their products to make customers pay for the difference, because they wouldn't eat the costs themselves.

As for World War III, there were more talks about Hillary Clinton being able to cause it, because she was outspoken against Russia whereas Trump wanted to be BFF with Putin.



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RolStoppable said:
DonFerrari said:

So it's suposition. For most companies IP is the most important advantage, they certainly would have more success finding a cheap place that respects IPs than to have every company in the world able to copy them.

The funny thing about every single economist (besides being able to find at least one that wouldn't agree) is also that we had "every single jornalist" saying how Trump would doom america and cause 3rd WW, etc. Didn't happen.

You should ask yourself why American companies have chosen China for production and stuck with them for so long despite the risk of getting their knowledge copied. It's because low production costs are more important to them than anything else, so naturally they are against tariffs because that undermines their entire system of producing cheap in China and being able to have good prices in the USA. If tariffs were introduced, they would have to rise the prices of their products to make customers pay for the difference, because they wouldn't eat the costs themselves.

As for World War III, there were more talks about Hillary Clinton being able to cause it, because she was outspoken against Russia whereas Trump wanted to be BFF with Putin.

There are other cheap places to manufacture electronics, and if they didn't value their IP secrets they wouldn't have patents and protections, sue other companies and whatnot.

Perhaps we receive different news but every one I saw were saying he would trigger it, even more during the threats to NK.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

There are other cheap places to manufacture electronics, and if they didn't value their IP secrets they wouldn't have patents and protections, sue other companies and whatnot.

Perhaps we receive different news but every one I saw were saying he would trigger it, even more during the threats to NK.

Those other places aren't as cheap as China apparently, hence why companies take the risk. None of this means that companies don't care about their IPs, what it means is that they put low production costs over IP protection. This isn't an all or nothing, it's a matter of priorities.

You perceive situations different to the majority in lots of situations, so I don't expect it to be any different in this case. In this thread there was already the news posted that Trump agreed to a ceasefire with China in the trade war due to experts warning him about further damage to the global economy. Still, you didn't want to believe that economists are outspoken against the trade war with China.



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They are likely just to shift manufacturing to Taiwan rather than the US like what some other manufacturers are doing to get around the Tariffs...

It will be interesting to see if the Americans pay more for a console than us Australians though.



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RolStoppable said:
DonFerrari said:

There are other cheap places to manufacture electronics, and if they didn't value their IP secrets they wouldn't have patents and protections, sue other companies and whatnot.

Perhaps we receive different news but every one I saw were saying he would trigger it, even more during the threats to NK.

Those other places aren't as cheap as China apparently, hence why companies take the risk. None of this means that companies don't care about their IPs, what it means is that they put low production costs over IP protection. This isn't an all or nothing, it's a matter of priorities.

You perceive situations different to the majority in lots of situations, so I don't expect it to be any different in this case. In this thread there was already the news posted that Trump agreed to a ceasefire with China in the trade war due to experts warning him about further damage to the global economy. Still, you didn't want to believe that economists are outspoken against the trade war with China.

So you are going to say that it was just me that saw most newspapers putting Trump as "the biggest threat to democracy in USA ever"?

I'm pretty sure they do a risk analysis and decide that the benefit of low cost was higher than the risk of having products copied. But the way that was originally put was like they would rather lose all their IPs than to have higher costs.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."