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Pemalite said:
gamingsoul said:
Mateo Salvini is against massive immigration, I heard he is very popular right now in Italy, so why can’t The USA protect themselves from illegal immigrants? All dem candidates raised their hands when asked if they wanted free health care for illegals.

If I travel to the USA and I am banned from being allowed to use the health system, I would expect the same to happen in return when Americans visit my country... And when they visit any other country on the planet. - And there are thousands stationed here on rotation in the top-end all year round using our health system. (And no one whinges about it!)

When you visit the USA you come illegally?



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Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:

Pregnancy con is certainly unwanted by the male, that is the reason to con so the guy don't go away (I know a girl that done it twice to ex-boyfriend and he pays allimony but never got back to her).

Nowadays I would say more woman that have active sexual life uses pill and other methods, because often both will be on the desire and if condom isn't there possibly would keep going anyway, so I don't think it would be much more woman that get pregnant due to being forced versus male conned (in developed country). But the balancing I put had nothing to do with the pregnancy con, but between responsabilities on wanting/accepting/etc unprotected sex. For example I could, but won't, give more discount to male being more likely to not be able to brake his sexual instincts due to hormone.

So as I said when not including rape, for me both are equally responsible/guilty for what happened. And if you wish you can include some of the forced sex (because it goes on veiled threat) as rape.

When I said unwanted, I specifically meant unwanted by either party. But that's besides the point, so I edited that part out of my post. What does matter is that the frequency of pregnancy cons is not comparable to the frequency of unprotected sex.

And it's primarily men that pressure women into unprotected sex than the other way around.
Same for pretending to use a condom.
I would not count the manipulator on equal ground with the manipulated, but I digress.

The biggest problem is men's insistence on having unprotected sex during those days, while refusing to get a vasectomy. Which is a safe low risk procedure, that is reversible. And would prevent any unwanted pregnancies completely. While also sparing women from the horrible side effects and risks of birth control.

Again since woman can also have surgery, and certainly can fell if there is a condom or not and likely also see before (very different from making holes and not taking pills), doesn't make sense to again want a bigger burden "because he is a man".

Each one is responsible for own actions. So you can't say the woman got pregnant because the guy didn't do vasecthomy.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Both men and women are responsible about pregnancy, men shouldn’t be making babies if they don’t have enough money to raise their children, and women shouldn’t let unresponsible men make them pregnant.
Some countries in Africa have a average birth rate of 6 per woman, these are the type of countries that are producing the migrants that are flooding the west, and the civilized world has to pay health care for them.



gamingsoul said:
Pemalite said:

If I travel to the USA and I am banned from being allowed to use the health system, I would expect the same to happen in return when Americans visit my country... And when they visit any other country on the planet. - And there are thousands stationed here on rotation in the top-end all year round using our health system. (And no one whinges about it!)

When you visit the USA you come illegally?

From what I know even legal visitors doesn't have right to free healthcare nor in USA, nor in most countries as they aren't citizens.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
gamingsoul said:

From what I know even legal visitors doesn't have right to free healthcare nor in USA, nor in most countries as they aren't citizens.

Nations with universal healthcare (Most developed western nations!) they have the right to free healthcare.



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the-pi-guy said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Dems are absolutely encouraging people to cross over and have become opposed to kicking people out, they even defend criminals among them. Many examples out there.

Show me some examples of any of this.  

Mr Puggsly said:

I dont care what republicans may have supported, I'm personally opposed to using tax money this way. I mean we can't bitch about tariffs while supporting candidates that want big tax hikes on everybody.

>I'm personally opposed to using tax money this way

Republicans have already helped make it so that tax money is being used that way.  

>I mean we can't bitch about tariffs while supporting candidates that want big tax hikes on everybody.

Tariffs hurt the low end. Dems support raising taxes on the upper class.  Not everybody.  

Mr Puggsly said:

The way democrats push social welfare programs is little like how Europe or. Canada does it. Democrats often want to go well beyond in ways that would be significantly more expensive. Which is why they often evede how to pay for it questions.

>The way democrats push social welfare programs is little like how Europe or. Canada does it

And how do you think it differs?

>Which is why they often evede how to pay for it questions.

It's because Conservatives worry more about taxes, than they do about spending.  

The average conservative is convinced that $10,000 in taxes is worse than spending $12,000 ($5000 in healthcare + $7000 in taxes)

Mr Puggsly said:

Cities and states vary on benefits illegals can benefit from. Maybe thats partly why people are leaving democrat run cities in droves. A lot of federal money also goes to the handling and caring of illegals, many billions.

>Maybe thats partly why people are leaving democrat run cities in droves.

This always gets said.  "People are leaving California in droves".
Despite that, California's population grows quickly.  

>A lot of federal money also goes to the handling and caring of illegals, many billions.

Even the largest estimate of federal spending by a conservative, estimated that the biggest expense was education.  Illegals aren't personally getting billions from the government.  

Mr Puggsly said:

I dont necessarily support the massive military budget nor do I support the food stamp program in a strong economy. We have a strong military partly as means of avoiding war and sometimes policing the world. While social welfare being used by healthy people viable for work is pathetic. Also, there would be less poverty if women were more responsible about who cums in them.

>While social welfare being used by healthy people viable for work is pathetic.

The idea that there are millions of people are getting welfare because they aren't working is false.  A lot of "welfare" programs require that you are working or are temporary.  

Mr Puggsly said:

If its not our job to police the world why is it our job to provide healthcare for the world? Fuck that, maybe Europe can cover that bill.

>why is it our job to provide healthcare for the world?

No one said it was.  

Literally no one.  

The only thing going on is a discussion about providing healthcare for people in the United States.  

Is the offering of benefits, sanctuary cities and discouraging enforcment of throwing illegals not examples of enouragement? Meh... maybe Im just making assumptions...

You seem to have the impression I support republicans blindly. I am not registered as one.

Hehe, you really believe tax hikes would only be on the rich? Thats funny, naive and not reflectice of other welfare states.

California's growth has gone down significantly. People are escaping or simply not moving there in the significant numbers because its becoming a liberal shithole. I live in Arizona and I meet people who moved from blue states regularly. Its the same reason everytime why they moved, cost of living. So if you have the impression dems only wanna tax the rich...

Right, many billions are spent providing services to illegals. Whether its healthcare, education, etc. It also varies by state and taxes will go to support them.

I'm gonna assume you havent met many people on welfare. I've had family getting like $500 in foodstamps for years and never working. They may have cut down on that because the economy has improved and people do abuse it.

That's the thing, dems want to little to no limit on the number of people entering while giving them all free stuff like healthcare. That literally is dealing with the world's problems. The failures of those countries is causing this illegal immigration. Yet those corrupt leaders stay in power and we are expected to pay bills of their people.

Its a good deal for those countries though. The remittances Mexico gets is a nice boost for their economy and a free welfare system.

Now maybe youre thinking if they all just become citizens they can pay taxes too! But the problem is they would not generate enough tax revenue to support a welfare state unless we are all taxed heavily... like other social states. You also cant tax the rich too much or they just leave, other social states consider that as well.

Do a little research please, your ideology doesnt work.



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RolStoppable said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Did you watch the democratic debates?

No, but I was told that Trump supporters misinterpreted the healthcare plan and ran with it, so they consider universal healthcare (which obviously includes American citizens) a bad thing. Supposedly it's similar to how Trump supporters bring up Venezuela as soon as social policies are mentioned, even though it's obvious to anyone who is reasonable that the democrats use European countries as the role models.

The concept of universal healthcare is nice, its just paying for it thing people won't like. We're gonna need a massive tax hike and that is going to push many millions of people out of private healthcare.

Again, what the democrats are proposing is far more ambitious and generous than what other countries provide. Especially if we have a massive number of people entering legally or otherwise.

I've gotten to a point I actually wish democrats were actually honest about what Europe or Canada actually provide, be honest who is affected by the taxes (spoiler: not just the rich) and of course admit other countries aren't as generous as democrats want to be. I also don't believe the other western countries have the same number of illegals coming in either. I assure you the democrats in the US do not want to just emulate other countries, that isn't ambitious or irresponsible enough.



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Hiku said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Also, there would be less poverty if women were more responsible about who cums in them.

Both the man and woman are responsible for intentional pregnancies. Not just the woman.
But if a woman doesn't want go get pregnant, unwanted pregnancies are primarily caused by the irresponsible ejaculations of men.

Men frequently pressure women to have sex without a condom. And are willing to risk getting a woman pregnant — which means literally risking her life, her health, her social status, her relationships, and her career, just so that they can experience a few minutes of _slightly_ more pleasure.
Men regularly choose to put women at massive risk by having non-condom sex, in order to experience a few minutes of slightly more pleasure. And during the c.a. 2 days each month when a woman even can get pregnant. Because it's not enough for them to have unprotected sex during the safe days.

While for women having a condom is not just much safer (don't have to take other forms of birth control with dangerous side effects), but much more convenient for them as well. (Much easier to clean up afterwards, etc.)

So it's interesting that you only pointed a finger at women.

There is a massive number of children with no father around in this country and that's mostly due to women doing a terrible job at selecting fathers.

You're absolutely right, men do pressure women to not use a condom. I've done it and its totally worth it! However, I'm also not a dirtbag who would neglect a child.

Its the women who get pregnant and therefore they need to really consider who's jizz gets in their vagina. If they want the jizz of a loser because the government will provide anyway, then the tax payers suffer. I actually want the government to really go after deadbeat dads, like maybe we shouldn't provide services to women with children until we figure out what is happening with the father. That would absolutely deter irresponsible women from making children with losers.

The onus of baby making is on the woman. Therefore I will point my finger at them (unless its rape ofcourse). I don't care if their lovers want some bareback sex, women should consider the risks or maybe they just don't care. "I don't need no man in my life! I got tax payer money!"



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Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:

Again since woman can also have surgery, and certainly can fell if there is a condom or not and likely also see before (very different from making holes and not taking pills), doesn't make sense to again want a bigger burden "because he is a man".

Each one is responsible for own actions. So you can't say the woman got pregnant because the guy didn't do vasecthomy.

Women's surgery is permanent. Not reversible. So that's another false equivalence.

Men can end all unwanted pregnancies by getting a vasectomy, which they can later reverse when they want to have children. That decision is in their hands. Instead they prefer to put the woman at risk, with less safe and less effective methods. If they want to have unprotected sex, they should use the safest and most effective method.

Yes, man need to be so conscious to shoulder the concerns of health and unwanted babies of woman as well while woman don't need to concern about it shoving the responsibility to man. All you say just show that you put man responsibility on this much much much above woman, just missing man being the sole responsible by a thin margin.

I do hope on your life you don't expect others to take responsibility for your actions because they led you to it as if you were completely passive on it.

Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

From what I know even legal visitors doesn't have right to free healthcare nor in USA, nor in most countries as they aren't citizens.

Nations with universal healthcare (Most developed western nations!) they have the right to free healthcare.

https://fra.europa.eu/en/theme/asylum-migration-borders/healthcare-entitlements

Doesn't seem like most developed western nations offer free healthcare for immigrants.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, man need to be so conscious to shoulder the concerns of health and unwanted babies of woman as well while woman don't need to concern about it shoving the responsibility to man. All you say just show that you put man responsibility on this much much much above woman, just missing man being the sole responsible by a thin margin.

I do hope on your life you don't expect others to take responsibility for your actions because they led you to it as if you were completely passive on it.

It's because they're the only ones that can have that procedure. Considering the risks for women with birth control, and pregnancy, it would be the more reasonable alternative.

But things are the way they are. You're right, you can't expect someone else to do it.
Though if someone suggests that all/most responsibility is on a woman, these are the reasons for why I found that particularly strange.

That and I'm white knighting all women.

Mr Puggsly said:

-Snip-

If you're talking about planned pregnancies, then I suppose I can understand the reasoning.
For unprotected sex in general, you could change the sentence to "if men who want unprotected sex got vasectomies". It's safer and more effective than birth control.

Where do you get the stats from that men are mostly responsable for unprotected sex,do you assume that because you personally think it is logical or do you have a source to go to see the numbers?

Bolded:Do you mean that sarcastically or you think the "knight" part makes it a positive term ?

White knighting women is by definition is a pretty ugly behaviour.

White knighting:

A person with low self esteem who combats this with a unwavering need to aid others who may or may not need it. They usually have very isolated personal lives as they are very judgmental of others, surrounding themselves only with those who feed their desire to help and feel as a savior. Most commonly sighted in young men in regards to women, this is only a lesser form as it is usually only temporary, fading with life experience. More serious cases occur in correlation with chronic self esteem problems where the person needs to maintain a high view of themselves through self rightious acts of kindness. These people enjoy surrounding themselves with troubled individuals, who form a farm which is harvested for what they use as pseudo self esteem.

It might be discussable if it borders to or is sexism.