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sethnintendo on 31 May 2019
KLAMarine said:
Pemalite said:

Of course "Freedom gas" is going to be a terminology that catches on when you assert that you are providing freedom via gas. (Europe is pretty free anyway, meaning that statement was entirely unnecessary to begin with.)

Taking an apologetic perspective on this isn't really isn't helping either way. It's political correctness and the Trump administration is using it to it's advantage to rally it's patriotic fan base.
Aka. It's hypocritical.

As an Australian, I do rather enjoy the free entertainment that Trump has brought to the table since gaining power, it's been highly amusing... Definitely been an ongoing joke on the world stage that's for sure. - Still wish him the best of success of course... But when he (Or his administration for that matter!) is being  hypocritical or there are screws up, you need to call it out for what it is.

So please explain how it's hypocritical.

S.Peelman said:

Wow, classy.

Europe appreciated the US helping kick the Nazis out of power. The Marshall Plan was pretty cool too.

Guy is so dumb on history prob doesnt even realize Russia fought the Germans more than any country.  Sure we helped them with lend lease program but they took brunt of assault and casualties of Germany.  USA (my country) merely stepped into war at end.  Now talk about Japan....  We kicked their fucking ass.



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EricHiggin on 31 May 2019
KLAMarine said:
Pemalite said:

Of course "Freedom gas" is going to be a terminology that catches on when you assert that you are providing freedom via gas. (Europe is pretty free anyway, meaning that statement was entirely unnecessary to begin with.)

Taking an apologetic perspective on this isn't really isn't helping either way. It's political correctness and the Trump administration is using it to it's advantage to rally it's patriotic fan base.
Aka. It's hypocritical.

As an Australian, I do rather enjoy the free entertainment that Trump has brought to the table since gaining power, it's been highly amusing... Definitely been an ongoing joke on the world stage that's for sure. - Still wish him the best of success of course... But when he (Or his administration for that matter!) is being  hypocritical or there are screws up, you need to call it out for what it is.

So please explain how it's hypocritical.

Trump is clearly against political correctness, yet he, and/or his subordinates are using a form of political correctness to make something that's seen as negative, look positive.

What's even funnier is that it's hypocritical from the other side as well. Trumps opposition, who's hardcore about political correctness, see's this, and bashes Trump and his administration for using political correctness.

Which leads to a partial reasoning as to why Trump behaves as he does, because he knows the blame is coming his way, one way or another, no matter the hypocritical justification in this case, so he just goes ahead and does whatever he wants anyway.

If everyone's ordering hypocrisy off the menu since it's oh so satisfying, even though it costs an arm and a leg and your soul, why shouldn't he have a plate? Based on some of his trolling, at times using his opponents tactics against them for his own gain, this is right up his alley.



vivster on 31 May 2019

They say "energy diversity" as if it's something positive.



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Chrizum on 31 May 2019

Thank you 'Murica for liberating Europe once again. I don't know what we'd do without your certified Freedom™.



Mnementh on 31 May 2019
KLAMarine said:
Mar1217 said:
Translation : " We wanna keep a check on you Europe. Viva la moderne imperialism !!!"

Keep a check on them by providing them gas?..

What?

One thing was pretty stable over the past decades: natural gas deliveries by Russia. Even during the cold war. The US on the other hand has shown time and time again, that they are willing to use every lever to influence other countries. So europe should go away from stable gas deliveries by Russia to replace them by more expensive one by the US that could be utilized in a conflict? Sounds not too intelligent.



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Puppyroach on 31 May 2019

When you think the US government can't become any dumber...



KLAMarine on 31 May 2019
NintendoCM said:
KLAMarine said:

So please explain how it's hypocritical.

Europe appreciated the US helping kick the Nazis out of power. The Marshall Plan was pretty cool too.

You seem to be so caught up in what I presume to either be your need to defend the United States or Trump. I don't want to assume that it's Trump, so I won't. But there is no defense to the story. It just highlights that the DoE is truly inept when it comes to the dangerous problem of climate change. Therefore it is ironic they are "renaming" fossil fuels. You don't need to snap at every post that points out how asinine the DoE is acting. 

Except the DoE is NOT renaming fossil fuels.

Please observe for example the DoE's own website:

https://www.energy.gov/science-innovation/energy-sources/fossil

sethnintendo said:
KLAMarine said:

So please explain how it's hypocritical.

Europe appreciated the US helping kick the Nazis out of power. The Marshall Plan was pretty cool too.

Guy is so dumb on history prob doesnt even realize Russia fought the Germans more than any country.  Sure we helped them with lend lease program but they took brunt of assault and casualties of Germany.  USA (my country) merely stepped into war at end.  Now talk about Japan....  We kicked their fucking ass.

Not just Russia but the USSR fought Nazi Germany as did Britain and the US. D-Day landings were conducted mainly by British, US, and Canadian forces.

You wanna talk history?

EricHiggin said:
KLAMarine said:

So please explain how it's hypocritical.

Trump is clearly against political correctness, yet he, and/or his subordinates are using a form of political correctness to make something that's seen as negative, look positive.

What's even funnier is that it's hypocritical from the other side as well. Trumps opposition, who's hardcore about political correctness, see's this, and bashes Trump and his administration for using political correctness.

Which leads to a partial reasoning as to why Trump behaves as he does, because he knows the blame is coming his way, one way or another, no matter the hypocritical justification in this case, so he just goes ahead and does whatever he wants anyway.

If everyone's ordering hypocrisy off the menu since it's oh so satisfying, even though it costs an arm and a leg and your soul, why shouldn't he have a plate? Based on some of his trolling, at times using his opponents tactics against them for his own gain, this is right up his alley.

This all seems highly speculative.

Mnementh said:
KLAMarine said:

Keep a check on them by providing them gas?..

What?

One thing was pretty stable over the past decades: natural gas deliveries by Russia. Even during the cold war. The US on the other hand has shown time and time again, that they are willing to use every lever to influence other countries. So europe should go away from stable gas deliveries by Russia to replace them by more expensive one by the US that could be utilized in a conflict? Sounds not too intelligent.

If Europe would prefer to only have one supplier rather than two, that's totally up to them. Not a good idea though since if your sole supplier runs into trouble, Europe is left without gas.

It's actually very smart to have more than one source.

SpokenTruth said:
KLAMarine said:

Now let's include the rest of the quotes:

"Increasing export capacity from the Freeport LNG project is critical to spreading freedom gas throughout the world by giving America’s allies a diverse and affordable source of clean energy. Further, more exports of U.S. LNG to the world means more U.S. jobs and more domestic economic growth and cleaner air here at home and around the globe,” said U.S. Under Secretary of Energy Mark W. Menezes, who highlighted the approval at the Clean Energy Ministerial in Vancouver, Canada. “There’s no doubt today’s announcement furthers this Administration’s commitment to promoting energy security and diversity worldwide."

"Approval of additional LNG exports from Freeport LNG furthers this Administration’s commitment to promoting American energy, American jobs, and the American economy. Further, increased supplies of U.S. natural gas on the world market are critical to advancing clean energy and the energy security of our allies around the globe. With the U.S. in another year of record-setting natural gas production, I am pleased that the Department of Energy is doing what it can to promote an efficient regulatory system that allows for molecules of U.S. freedom to be exported to the world,"

https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-authorizes-additional-lng-exports-freeport-lng

I feel there's a context that has been removed in your original quotations.

From Slate: "Freedom gas. It appears that turn of phrase originated earlier this month, when Secretary of Energy Rick Perry signed an order aimed at doubling U.S. liquefied natural gas shipments to Europe. At a press briefing in Brussels, he explained that the move would help European nations diversify their energy supply away from Russia, the region’s major supplier of gas. “The United States is again delivering a form of freedom to the European continent,” he said. “And rather than in the form of young American soldiers, it’s in the form of liquefied natural gas.” Afterward, a cheeky reporter from EURACTIV asked whether “freedom gas” would be a correct way to describe the new fuel shipments. “I think you may be correct in your observation,” an apparently inspired Perry responded."

I can't believe you're attempting to spin this.

I don't care about the specifics of the deals.  That's a different subject. But the absolute inanity on display as the DoE patriotizes natural gas and hydrocarbons is both laughable and extremely cringe worthy. 

Seriously, imagine being a foreign dignitary trying to foster an energy contract and having to write and talk about (and sign a contract for) 'molecules of US freedom'. 

I'm not the one spinning, you're the one who quote-mined.

Tell you what: if you ever come across 'freedom gas' or 'molecules of US freedom' in official written documents, let me know.

RolStoppable said:
KLAMarine said:

Europe appreciated the US helping kick the Nazis out of power. The Marshall Plan was pretty cool too.

Sure, but not too long afterwards things were turning to keep Europe being dependent on the USA. The whole idea of the European Union was to form a superpower on its own in order to not become a toy of an existing superpower. While the Soviet Union was an obvious enemy, the USA too turned into a potential threat eventually.

The US isn't much of a threat when it's on the other side of the Atlantic.



S.Peelman on 31 May 2019
KLAMarine said: 
S.Peelman said:

Wow, classy.

Europe appreciated the US helping kick the Nazis out of power. The Marshall Plan was pretty cool too.

I meant equating the lives of soldiers to oil deliveries.



OTBWY on 31 May 2019

This is fucking retarded :D

Sorry for the language but c'mon



tsogud on 31 May 2019

Put freedom gas in your freedom car to drive to your freedom job to get some freedom money for your freedom family.

Natural gas is not clean, renewable energy btw that's misinformation. Fossil fuels aren't sustainable and they're detrimental to our planet. Our children and our children's children will not have any freedom whatsoever if we continue to destroy our planet this way.