KLAMarine said:
sethnintendo said:
Guy is so dumb on history prob doesnt even realize Russia fought the Germans more than any country. Sure we helped them with lend lease program but they took brunt of assault and casualties of Germany. USA (my country) merely stepped into war at end. Now talk about Japan.... We kicked their fucking ass.
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Not just Russia but the USSR fought Nazi Germany as did Britain and the US. D-Day landings were conducted mainly by British, US, and Canadian forces.
You wanna talk history?
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You are aware that Russia and USSR are basically the same thing? Sure they were called USSR / Soviet Union because it was union of multiple Soviet states. However, Russia and USSR are pretty much interchangeable and historians often refer to it just as Russia when talking about the USSR during WW2. So you are semi correct stating not just Russia but entire USSR (Ukraine, etc) fought the Germans but it just looks awkward used in your sentence since they were basically the same thing. Also, not everyone within the USSR liked Russia such as some Cossacks in Ukraine defected to the German side yet the majority still didn't join the Germans even though they hated the Russians from past grievances.
My main point was Russia (USSR) took the brunt of the fighting and if Hitler didn't invade Russia or waited another year or two where he could ensure the campaign would end before winter or least be prepared for winter then it would have been a different story. It was only till after the Soviets turned the Germans on their heels did we even think about preforming D Day invasions. USA, Britain, Canada and others lost a lot of life fighting the Nazis however the death toll between Germany and Russia makes that fighting look very tiny in comparison.
"More Soviet citizens died during World War II than those of all other countries combined. Nazi ideology considered Slavs to be "subhuman" and German forces committed ethnically targeted mass murder. Civilians were rounded up and burned alive or shot in squads in many cities conquered by the Nazis, around 27 million civilians and military personal perished during the war
8 million Red Army troops died facing the Germans and their allies in the Eastern Front. The Axis forces themselves had lost over 6 million troops, whether by combat or by wounds, disease, starvation or exposure; many others were seized as POWs and a substantial part of them died in Soviet captivity because of disease or shortage of supplies.
Lend-Lease supplies from the United Kingdom and the United States made very important impact for Soviet military forces. Supply convoys sailed to Soviet ports that were patrolled by Nazi U-boats. Allied activities before D-Day may have tied up only a few divisions in actual fighting, but many more were forced to guard lonely coasts against raids that never came or to man anti-aircraft guns throughout Nazi-controlled Europe."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_theatre_of_World_War_II
So basically if Germany defeated the Russians or never invaded Russia then the D Day landings would have never happened or would have failed. Hitler was a terrible commander and he kept centralizing all decisions through him especially towards the end of the war (another reason why D Day landings succeeded because they were too afraid to awake Hitler and the Panzer divisions were held back which could have crushed the beach landings and pushed the allies back into the English Channel) which only led to more military defeats. He became hot headed with early military victories (Manstein's plan was actually reason why France fell so easily) thinking he was some great leader when he pretty much borrowed most plans from commanders and at the end of the war he was for most part ignoring the generals while making them come up with plans for his fantasies.
Last edited by sethnintendo - on 05 June 2019