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Will Avengers:Endgame beat Avatar?

Yes 68 80.00%
 
No 17 20.00%
 
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Neodegenerate said:
V-r0cK said:

You're right, i just read this now as well.

https://ca.ign.com/articles/2019/06/19/avengers-endgame-returning-to-theaters-with-post-credit-extras

I wonder what they mean by the movie popping back?  I believe it's still showing across North America.  Does that mean the countries that have stopped showing it will return?

Endgame is currently around $44M shy of reaching #1

Only one theatre in my area is still showing it and its one of those matinee places that keeps movies in for like 6 months showing only 2 movies at a time.  All the big theatres here dropped it when Dark Phoenix came out.

Ahhh I see, i shouldnt have assumed hehe.  The theatres in my city are still showing it while Dark Phoenix is getting almost the same amount of showtimes Endgame is still getting lol



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V-r0cK said:
gergroy said:
They are going to rerelease it with some extra footage here in the next couple weeks. Looks like they aren’t going to settle for second place this time.

You're right, i just read this now as well.

https://ca.ign.com/articles/2019/06/19/avengers-endgame-returning-to-theaters-with-post-credit-extras

Count me in!! 

I'd like to see the deleted scene between Nat and Banner.  Even the one with Tony and adult/teenage Morgan?  Maybe a teaser from GotG3?  Wishful thinking, I know.  Or an extended Rescue sequence?  Tribute scenes, most def!!  Okay, I need to stop now, just too much feels already.

I also gotta make sure the run-time is beyond the initial-screening to get the right version.

More cheeseburgers please. 



Mospeada21CA said:
V-r0cK said:

You're right, i just read this now as well.

https://ca.ign.com/articles/2019/06/19/avengers-endgame-returning-to-theaters-with-post-credit-extras

Count me in!! 

I'd like to see the deleted scene between Nat and Banner.  Even the one with Tony and adult/teenage Morgan?  Maybe a teaser from GotG3?  Wishful thinking, I know.  Or an extended Rescue sequence?  Tribute scenes, most def!!  Okay, I need to stop now, just too much feels already.

I also gotta make sure the run-time is beyond the initial-screening to get the right version.

More cheeseburgers please. 

Hehe that's awesome! Try and ask your local theater if it has the extra credit scenes in case they dont update the run time on their website etc. 



Neodegenerate said:

A lot of people are forgiving the drop off because of the "must see it before I get spoiled" approach that presumably frontloaded the movie so much.  Endgame was the final movie of an 11 year movie chain, with the next Spider-Man movie serving as the epilogue.  TLJ is a Star Wars movie, which means that it opens to too much hype, unrealistic expectations, and a segment of vocal cannibalistic fans that I think now hate the franchise more than they ever loved it just because its the cool thing to do.

I know. It just bugs me how much inconsistency there is. "Ticket sales legs past week 4 matter, except when they don't. Lifetime box office doesn't matter, except when it does. A sequel doing as good as its predecessor matters, except when it doesn't." There's little in the way of any real justification for those exceptions, making it borderline special pleading. The fact that Endgame declined faster than almost every other major ($300M+ domestic) action blockbuster in the past 20 years, has had an adjusted domestic post-Week 4 gross currently tracking to be less than several other MCU films (e.g., Iron Man, The Avengers, Guardians 1 & 2, Black Panther, Infinity War, Captain Marvel), and arguably has not met the most conservative expectations for its lifetime gross (most projections I've seen assumed $850-900M domestic and a very high likelihood of beating Avatar globally) gets ignored. Meanwhile, TLJ's big second weekend drop was jumped on as evidence of some major failing, even though that drop was a result of that Sunday being Christmas Eve, a bad day for films in general (which made "67% drop in the second weekend!" thing a bullshit argument to begin with), and when you go by full weeks its second-week drop was much more modest (in fact, it was up week-over-week every day from Monday to Thursday, which you might expect from Christmas Day but not from the three days after). Then its gross past Week 4, which admittedly wasn't spectacular, was attacked, even though Star Wars in general is somewhat more front-loaded than a lot of other films; in relative terms even TFA's legs were weaker than many other major action films this century, even though they were solid in absolute terms.

TLJ did well. Domestically and adjusted for inflation, it ranks #6 for the decade, #10 for the 21st century, and #26 for the "Blockbuster Era" of cinema (1975-present), as well as #12 all-time un-adjusted worldwide. It made over four times its production budget, so it was incredibly profitable. Nobody expected it to perform similarly to TFA. It dropped less from TFA than ESB did from ANH or AotC did from TPM. It really does seem like the cherry-picking and dogpiling on TLJ's box office returns all boils down to "I didn't like TLJ, so I'm going to latch onto anything I can to 'prove' it was a bad movie and downplay any success it had." I had enough of that back during TLJ's theatrical run, and since then I've refused to directly engage with those making such arguments.

Note that I'm not claiming that Endgame was a disappointment. It's a great movie that has done extremely well. Its seemingly anemic legs could have other explanations besides "not as many people felt it was worth repeat viewing." Maybe the repeat views were themselves more front-loaded, with fewer people waiting more than a month to go see it for the first or third or fifth time. We don't know. Movies in general have become increasingly more front-loaded over time, and some are more front-loaded than others, but being front-loaded and having relatively unimpressive post-Week 4 legs should not in and of themselves be viewed as an indication of some failing on the movie's part. Not for Endgame, not for The Last Jedi. No two films track exactly the same over the course of their lives, and so extrapolating a lifetime gross based on the opening weekend or even the first week is always going to be off the mark. There will always be a substantial margin of error involved. It's not too dissimilar from video games. Some people thought the PS3 would fail to outsell the GameCube by any appreciable margin in the U.S. because it tracked on par with the GC for a number of months, something that clearly did not occur (the PS3's lifetime U.S. sales were 2.3 times that of the GC). Conversely, some thought the PS4 would outsell the PS2 based on sales in its first several months, an outcome that clearly did not happen.

EDIT: In light of today's news and to go back to the main point of this thread, let's see if this updated version of Endgame with the post-credits scene will give it a boost to push it past Avatar globally (almost certainly won't happen domestically, though).

Last edited by Shadow1980 - on 19 June 2019

Rerelease a movie that’s still in theaters, adding 5 mins footage for the fans that would buy any marvel product, it’s kind of cheap, but they want the number one spot no matter what,whatever...



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V-r0cK said:
gergroy said:
They are going to rerelease it with some extra footage here in the next couple weeks. Looks like they aren’t going to settle for second place this time.

You're right, i just read this now as well.

https://ca.ign.com/articles/2019/06/19/avengers-endgame-returning-to-theaters-with-post-credit-extras

I wonder what they mean by the movie popping back?  I believe it's still showing across North America.  Does that mean the countries that have stopped showing it will return?

Endgame is currently around $44M shy of reaching #1.

Count me in.  I was looking for a reason to see it a fourth time.  And I know some people who would probably see it again with me for something like this.



Yeah, now that it's being rereleased with new footage, it's a matter of when, not if.

Avatar, your move (don't think it would have the same impact to be honest with a rerelease like Titanic had or this will, though).



We need 5% of the US audience (1 in 20 folks) domestically to see the film again, after June 28th, to catch up with Avatar [not adjusted].

Current gap of $44M over $832M domestic. We can do this. #WhatEverItTakes #Bananas



This weekend's Domestic Box Office will decide who gets to wear the box office crown: will it be Green Zoe Saldana...or Blue Zoe Saldana?  I asked Doctor Strange, but he said it won't happen if he tells me.

So here's the target: 4.5 million for the Post-Credits Cut in the Domestic Box Office this weekend.  Since Endgame has recently passed the important milestone of topping Avatar's initial box office run, the re-release doesn't have to equal Avatar's to sit upon the Iron Throne.  Wait.  GoT didn't end on a high note, but Phase 3 did.  Okay, the Thanos Chair.  

Avatar the Extended Cut only made 4 million domestic in its first weekend.  I get the 4.5 million to allow for some cannibalizing of the Theatrical Cut, plus shorter legs.  I don't expect the Theatrical Cut to completely crater, and if it does, we're likely looking at the Post-Credits Cut smashing the 4.5 million target.  Internationally, Avatar did better a lot better but Endgame has a few advantages.  First, it's been confirmed that it'll open in the UK and Avatar did not.  The UK is a sizable market, so even if the Post-Credits Cut gets a limited international release (and they're on record saying it's going to be a wide international release), Endgame may have a larger potential audience to work with.  Second, the movie is still relatively fresh, whereas Avatar had months upon months to fade from the public mind.  Third: Avatar didn't have a hype machine trying to top itself, but Endgame has some big names trying to motivate people to choose a new champion.  Having a target to beat motivates people to reach for it, and Disney could very well buy up the remainder no matter how this plays out.

The Domestic haul will be the litmus test to measure interest, however.  The Domestic:International split should be roughly the same ratio and will probably be just as front-loaded.  If it fails to hit 3 million, that means the audience probably has had its fill and it'll probably fade away in the final stretch, extra markets be damned.  There's some wiggle room in the 3-4.5 million range because Endgame doesn't need to do as well.  If it hits the target, that's a powerful indicator before the international records confirm it.

Re-releases, even for titans such as Gone With the Hand, tend to whimper in the box office though.  Avatar is among the most successful, so the bar may actually be fantastically higher than it seems.  It could be said that the odds are 14 000 605 to 1, but it sure feels like this could be the one.  

And we should know on Sunday.


Can anyone photoshop a Zoe Saldana arm wrestling herself?  Gold star if one is green and the other blue.