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KLAMarine said:

Anyone else worry seeing Biden collapse from his bike?

No. He went to put his foot down but his shoe was caught in the strap. I did that when I was 25 years old. It's not an indicator of age or a lack of health. Could happen to anyone. 



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the-pi-guy said:
KLAMarine said:

Anyone else worry seeing Biden collapse from his bike?

Firstly, why would we care?

Most of us don't even like him that much in the first place. Even if we did, at least he's healthy enough to be able to get on a bike.

Secondly, no. This is about the silliest trend since Obama wearing the wrong colored shirt, or asking for a fancy mustard.

Yeah, the attempt to demonize the man is...honestly pathetic. 

Dems don't like him either, but he's better than the alternative. And yeah, anyone can fall off a bike. If you actually saw the video you'd see he was trying to put his foot down but it got caught on something and by that point he'd already leaned into it. doesn't mean a thing. 

Fancy mustard, indeed. I love how conservatives are the political party of regression and 'both sides' rhetoric, when their people are out there bein' evil on multiple levels while the dems just sort of suck at their job. As I've said before and will continue to say in the future, I'll take inept over malicious any day. I'll take someone failing to get meaningful gun legislature and sweeping reform passed over someone who thinks I don't deserve to live because I have sex with men AND women, depending on the day. One of those is useless, one of those is outright evil. I know who I'd rather vote for a billion times over. 



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Machiavellian said:

The problem is that the dumb orange man made things worse not better. He did not bring down the trade deficit, it increased. When all the other big hitters wanted to join into a trade agreement without China to put pressure on China to change their ways and reign them in, the dumb orange idiot stated trade wars are easy until he had to kiss China ass when he found out that he was not doing jack to China but instead hurting Americans. The funny part is that China was pretty much wise to his game and when the orange idiot did not follow through on his end of the bargain neither did China.

Just the whole handling of China was wrong because he tried to take credit instead of actually being smart enough to work with other nations to isolate China global expansion, believing that China cannot absorb just one country tariffs. Its not like he was not told this in the beginning but he used complete idiots who are more yes man then people willing to tell him he is wrong and thus here we are. So no, trying to paint the orange dumb idiot in a good light really is a waste of time because he never did anything for anyone benefit but his own and when it fails all he does is blame everyone else.

As for Biden going to Saudia to try to negotiate and get prices down on gas in the face of Saudia human rights issue, lol, when has America ever care about anything more than their own self interest. You act as if this is something new but its been the US MO since the nation was created.

You act as if Trump's failings & lies on China and every issue he campaigned on aren't well-explored by both the mainstream and independent media. Not to mention, you fail to address that one of the most popular counter arguments has always been that bringing manufacturing back is unnecessary, will only lead to higher prices and inflation, which is hilarious taking into account that the current inflation is caused of shortages, disrupted supply chains, and a war that wouldn't have happened if Russia wasn't backed by China. Neither the left or the right is doing anything meaningful to correct this or even make it part of their platforms of empty promises. 

You also act as if the USA's hypocritical pursuit of self-interest gets enough media attention and outrage, you'd be shocked how many westerners believe their countries are hillier than thou. The USA isn't the only guilty one here, UK, Germany, Australia etc continue to sell arms to the Saudis despite the humanitarian crises Saudi has inflicted on Yemen and human right abuses inside their house, so please don't act act if it's only US MO at this point. 



Rab said:

The midterms are coming, Biden's approval is way down from the start of his presidency, the pendulum really swung the other way when he showed he couldn't get a hugely popular socialist bill funded like the Green new deal, Universal Health Care, free college tuition, higher minimum wages, etc etc.. leaving a whole generation of younger people disillusioned 

Many in the "moderate" Dems and Reps have accused Biden of pandering to the left and this is why he will likely fail in the midterms, even though he has done virtually nothing the progressives have asked for  

You have people in the elites not able to analyse actual facts on the ground, or worse wilfully ignoring their own mistakes at the cost of those least able to afford it 

It is truly eye opening how far the elites have talked themselves into wearing a blindfold to reality, by the way the US isnt unique in this either  

 

The rule of law and economics only applies to those who can't afford to bribe their way out

Beautiful counter points from Krystal; absolutely pathetic that Biden's most popular policy is absolutely being torn apart by the mainstream media including Bill of all people! Money for corporations = good, money for the people = bad. Glad Krystal brought more underlying causes of inflation to the table, god forbid we have a deeper discussion is presented to the dumb selectively clapping audience. 

At one point, silly curly hair white dude is criticising Biden for antagonising the Saudis, he thinks we shouldn't, Krystal swiftly responds "but I thought you were in favour of the Russian oil ban?", he answers "it's not the same because Russia is invading another country", my dude, the Saudis have been invading Yemen and committing genocides in Yemen for 7 years now. A great example of the average westerner mentality I alluded to in my previous post, this is the result of the dishonest media coverage we're bombarded with, the minute these dumbos are challenged by a proper intellectual like Krystal, they fall apart and self-own. 



Texas GOP adopts anti-LGBTQ platform, refers to being gay as ‘abnormal’

The Texas Republican party adopted a new platform on Saturday that refers to homosexuality as “abnormal” and “opposes all efforts to validate transgender identity.”

The Texas GOP party adopted the 40-page platform at its biennial convention in Houston after passing the party’s new guiding principles, which includes a section titled “Homosexuality and Gender Issues.”

The section includes a formal position declaring the state’s GOP party is against giving a special legal status to gay men or women and that they support people who oppose homosexuality based on faith, religion or a belief in “traditional values.”

“Homosexuality is an abnormal lifestyle choice,” the platform document reads. “We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3529268-texas-gop-party-adopts-anti-lgbtq-platform-refers-to-being-gay-as-abnormal/

The American right is swimming too deep in their religious ideology. It's astonishing that such headlines are coming of the USA still. 



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LurkerJ said:
Machiavellian said:

The problem is that the dumb orange man made things worse not better. He did not bring down the trade deficit, it increased. When all the other big hitters wanted to join into a trade agreement without China to put pressure on China to change their ways and reign them in, the dumb orange idiot stated trade wars are easy until he had to kiss China ass when he found out that he was not doing jack to China but instead hurting Americans. The funny part is that China was pretty much wise to his game and when the orange idiot did not follow through on his end of the bargain neither did China.

Just the whole handling of China was wrong because he tried to take credit instead of actually being smart enough to work with other nations to isolate China global expansion, believing that China cannot absorb just one country tariffs. Its not like he was not told this in the beginning but he used complete idiots who are more yes man then people willing to tell him he is wrong and thus here we are. So no, trying to paint the orange dumb idiot in a good light really is a waste of time because he never did anything for anyone benefit but his own and when it fails all he does is blame everyone else.

As for Biden going to Saudia to try to negotiate and get prices down on gas in the face of Saudia human rights issue, lol, when has America ever care about anything more than their own self interest. You act as if this is something new but its been the US MO since the nation was created.

You act as if Trump's failings & lies on China and every issue he campaigned on aren't well-explored by both the mainstream and independent media. Not to mention, you fail to address that one of the most popular counter arguments has always been that bringing manufacturing back is unnecessary, will only lead to higher prices and inflation, which is hilarious taking into account that the current inflation is caused of shortages, disrupted supply chains, and a war that wouldn't have happened if Russia wasn't backed by China. Neither the left or the right is doing anything meaningful to correct this or even make it part of their platforms of empty promises. 

You also act as if the USA's hypocritical pursuit of self-interest gets enough media attention and outrage, you'd be shocked how many westerners believe their countries are hillier than thou. The USA isn't the only guilty one here, UK, Germany, Australia etc continue to sell arms to the Saudis despite the humanitarian crises Saudi has inflicted on Yemen and human right abuses inside their house, so please don't act act if it's only US MO at this point. 

Bringing manufacturing back into America is far from a cure all for supply chain issues. Look at what happened with the recent formula shortage. Only 2% of formula is imported, yet because of how reliant on a small number of plants the market is, and due to the difficulties in importing formula, the shutdown of one plant can cause a huge shortage. In this case, increased available of non-domestic product was part of the solution to these issues, not the problem.

Further, the problems of the current inflationary pressures we are seeing goes far beyond "Goods come from outside the USA", and even if we were to manufacture domestically many of the same problems would be present. This inflation is largely a result of demand outpacing supply. While there would be benefits in the turnaround time of bringing goods to customers, a more concentrated manufacturing ecosystem could make it much more difficult to respond to these fluctuations in this demand. Highly concentrated manufacturing can also make the manufacturing ecosystem overly tied to the economic pressures of a single economy. For example, in the States we are currently seeing low unemployment paired with a multitude of job openings. This could put stress on the manufacturing system by both driving wages up (which contributes to inflation) and making it difficult to fill positions, slowing down manufacturing (which contributes to inflation). 

Finally, I feel like I have to note that Trump's trade war damaged American manufacturing. 



sundin13 said:
LurkerJ said:

You act as if Trump's failings & lies on China and every issue he campaigned on aren't well-explored by both the mainstream and independent media. Not to mention, you fail to address that one of the most popular counter arguments has always been that bringing manufacturing back is unnecessary, will only lead to higher prices and inflation, which is hilarious taking into account that the current inflation is caused of shortages, disrupted supply chains, and a war that wouldn't have happened if Russia wasn't backed by China. Neither the left or the right is doing anything meaningful to correct this or even make it part of their platforms of empty promises. 

You also act as if the USA's hypocritical pursuit of self-interest gets enough media attention and outrage, you'd be shocked how many westerners believe their countries are hillier than thou. The USA isn't the only guilty one here, UK, Germany, Australia etc continue to sell arms to the Saudis despite the humanitarian crises Saudi has inflicted on Yemen and human right abuses inside their house, so please don't act act if it's only US MO at this point. 

Bringing manufacturing back into America is far from a cure all for supply chain issues. Look at what happened with the recent formula shortage. Only 2% of formula is imported, yet because of how reliant on a small number of plants the market is, and due to the difficulties in importing formula, the shutdown of one plant can cause a huge shortage. In this case, increased available of non-domestic product was part of the solution to these issues, not the problem.

Further, the problems of the current inflationary pressures we are seeing goes far beyond "Goods come from outside the USA", and even if we were to manufacture domestically many of the same problems would be present. This inflation is largely a result of demand outpacing supply. While there would be benefits in the turnaround time of bringing goods to customers, a more concentrated manufacturing ecosystem could make it much more difficult to respond to these fluctuations in this demand. Highly concentrated manufacturing can also make the manufacturing ecosystem overly tied to the economic pressures of a single economy. For example, in the States we are currently seeing low unemployment paired with a multitude of job openings. This could put stress on the manufacturing system by both driving wages up (which contributes to inflation) and making it difficult to fill positions, slowing down manufacturing (which contributes to inflation). 

Finally, I feel like I have to note that Trump's trade war damaged American manufacturing. 

At no point I have equated having established factories in the west is a cure for supply chains issues. 50% of your posts start off that way anyway; firstly, put words in my mouth, secondly, build an entire argument against something I never said, thirdly, ignore what I actually said ties into the bigger picture. 

I am not following you down to your all too familiar rabbit holes. 



LurkerJ said:
sundin13 said:

Bringing manufacturing back into America is far from a cure all for supply chain issues. Look at what happened with the recent formula shortage. Only 2% of formula is imported, yet because of how reliant on a small number of plants the market is, and due to the difficulties in importing formula, the shutdown of one plant can cause a huge shortage. In this case, increased available of non-domestic product was part of the solution to these issues, not the problem.

Further, the problems of the current inflationary pressures we are seeing goes far beyond "Goods come from outside the USA", and even if we were to manufacture domestically many of the same problems would be present. This inflation is largely a result of demand outpacing supply. While there would be benefits in the turnaround time of bringing goods to customers, a more concentrated manufacturing ecosystem could make it much more difficult to respond to these fluctuations in this demand. Highly concentrated manufacturing can also make the manufacturing ecosystem overly tied to the economic pressures of a single economy. For example, in the States we are currently seeing low unemployment paired with a multitude of job openings. This could put stress on the manufacturing system by both driving wages up (which contributes to inflation) and making it difficult to fill positions, slowing down manufacturing (which contributes to inflation). 

Finally, I feel like I have to note that Trump's trade war damaged American manufacturing. 

At no point I have equated having established factories in the west is a cure for supply chains issues. 50% of your posts start off that way anyway; firstly, put words in my mouth, secondly, build an entire argument against something I never said, thirdly, ignore what I actually said ties into the bigger picture. 

I am not following you down to your all too familiar rabbit holes. 

Yeah, you stated that "manufacturing should definitely be brought back" and didn't make much of an argument beyond that (other than calling those who disagreed with you idiots). I presented a case for why bringing manufacturing back can be damaging, especially given the current economic climate of the USA. I don't assert that my post was an itemized rebuttal of your argument, because, again, there wasn't much of an argument to rebut. Instead, I wished to provide perspective on some of the more broad ideas you mentioned such as supply chains and inflation which stood counter to your overall assertion (bringing back manufacturing is good). 



sundin13 said:
LurkerJ said:

You act as if Trump's failings & lies on China and every issue he campaigned on aren't well-explored by both the mainstream and independent media. Not to mention, you fail to address that one of the most popular counter arguments has always been that bringing manufacturing back is unnecessary, will only lead to higher prices and inflation, which is hilarious taking into account that the current inflation is caused of shortages, disrupted supply chains, and a war that wouldn't have happened if Russia wasn't backed by China. Neither the left or the right is doing anything meaningful to correct this or even make it part of their platforms of empty promises. 

You also act as if the USA's hypocritical pursuit of self-interest gets enough media attention and outrage, you'd be shocked how many westerners believe their countries are hillier than thou. The USA isn't the only guilty one here, UK, Germany, Australia etc continue to sell arms to the Saudis despite the humanitarian crises Saudi has inflicted on Yemen and human right abuses inside their house, so please don't act act if it's only US MO at this point. 

Bringing manufacturing back into America is far from a cure all for supply chain issues. Look at what happened with the recent formula shortage. Only 2% of formula is imported, yet because of how reliant on a small number of plants the market is, and due to the difficulties in importing formula, the shutdown of one plant can cause a huge shortage. In this case, increased available of non-domestic product was part of the solution to these issues, not the problem.

Further, the problems of the current inflationary pressures we are seeing goes far beyond "Goods come from outside the USA", and even if we were to manufacture domestically many of the same problems would be present. This inflation is largely a result of demand outpacing supply. While there would be benefits in the turnaround time of bringing goods to customers, a more concentrated manufacturing ecosystem could make it much more difficult to respond to these fluctuations in this demand. Highly concentrated manufacturing can also make the manufacturing ecosystem overly tied to the economic pressures of a single economy. For example, in the States we are currently seeing low unemployment paired with a multitude of job openings. This could put stress on the manufacturing system by both driving wages up (which contributes to inflation) and making it difficult to fill positions, slowing down manufacturing (which contributes to inflation). 

Finally, I feel like I have to note that Trump's trade war damaged American manufacturing. 

And even that could have been avoided if the FDA had done its job and continued to inspect the plants during 2020, rather than taking the "can't do my job... Covid" route.

As COVID-19 swept across the U.S. in early 2020, the FDA pulled most of its safety inspectors from the field, skipping thousands of routine plant inspections.

The inspection records reviewed by the AP show gaps as large as 2 1/2 years between FDA's 2019 inspections and when regulators returned to plants owned by the three leading formula manufacturers: Abbott, Reckitt and Gerber.

"The FDA would have had more chances to catch these issues if they'd been inspecting during the pandemic," said Sarah Sorscher, a food safety specialist with the Center for Science in the Public Interest. She acknowledged the difficult trade-off the FDA faced in pulling its inspectors to reduce their exposure to COVID-19. "Certainly there was a price to pay for protecting their workers during that time."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baby-formula-plants-werent-inspected-covid/



LurkerJ said:
Machiavellian said:

The problem is that the dumb orange man made things worse not better. He did not bring down the trade deficit, it increased. When all the other big hitters wanted to join into a trade agreement without China to put pressure on China to change their ways and reign them in, the dumb orange idiot stated trade wars are easy until he had to kiss China ass when he found out that he was not doing jack to China but instead hurting Americans. The funny part is that China was pretty much wise to his game and when the orange idiot did not follow through on his end of the bargain neither did China.

Just the whole handling of China was wrong because he tried to take credit instead of actually being smart enough to work with other nations to isolate China global expansion, believing that China cannot absorb just one country tariffs. Its not like he was not told this in the beginning but he used complete idiots who are more yes man then people willing to tell him he is wrong and thus here we are. So no, trying to paint the orange dumb idiot in a good light really is a waste of time because he never did anything for anyone benefit but his own and when it fails all he does is blame everyone else.

As for Biden going to Saudia to try to negotiate and get prices down on gas in the face of Saudia human rights issue, lol, when has America ever care about anything more than their own self interest. You act as if this is something new but its been the US MO since the nation was created.

You act as if Trump's failings & lies on China and every issue he campaigned on aren't well-explored by both the mainstream and independent media. Not to mention, you fail to address that one of the most popular counter arguments has always been that bringing manufacturing back is unnecessary, will only lead to higher prices and inflation, which is hilarious taking into account that the current inflation is caused of shortages, disrupted supply chains, and a war that wouldn't have happened if Russia wasn't backed by China. Neither the left or the right is doing anything meaningful to correct this or even make it part of their platforms of empty promises. 

You also act as if the USA's hypocritical pursuit of self-interest gets enough media attention and outrage, you'd be shocked how many westerners believe their countries are hillier than thou. The USA isn't the only guilty one here, UK, Germany, Australia etc continue to sell arms to the Saudis despite the humanitarian crises Saudi has inflicted on Yemen and human right abuses inside their house, so please don't act act if it's only US MO at this point. 

Not sure where you are going with your argument.  First you want to praise the orange idiot who stated he was going to bring manufacturing back to America which everyone told him its not happening.  Whether its China or some other country where labor is cheap but education is high enough to support those business, it was never going to happen.  No, there isn't going to ever be a move to bring back manufacturing back to the US because Americans love cheap goods and while they whine about those jobs going overseas, they still shop at target and Walmart looking for the cheapest deals.  Its pretty much why it was always some fantasy built by Trump because it sound good just like Mexico building the wall.  So why would anyone go down the road making a platform on that lie when they know its going nowhere.

As for your second paragraph what is the point you are trying to make.  Yes, Nations look out for their self interest, when did that ever been new.  Anyone even remotely paying attention to history could figure that out from decades of nations doing things for their self interest.  Maybe you should read the Art of War and Machiavellian the Prince.  If only could everything could be black and white but most times there is a whole lot of gray in-between.