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Pemalite 6 days ago
SvennoJ said:
Pemalite said:

This.
As someone who is LGBTQI+, there is never a reason to riot and I would be absolutely disgusted if people used the LGBTQI+ community as justification to riot and cause destruction and chaos.
Womens rights and black lives are the same.

There is never an excuse to riot, cause destruction and destroy lives and livelihoods, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things.

A free nation typically has the freedom to "protest" as one of it's founding pillars of freedom, which typically accompanies other freedoms like free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of association.

Protesting is one thing... It's peaceful.

But when it delves into chaos then the legal system needs to crack down hard, the reasoning for the riot is ultimately irrelevant at that point.

LGBTQI+, Women and People of Colour have continued to gain more rights and equal rights over time in Australia via peaceful means, through petitions, legislation, voting and peaceful protests, it works when you have a healthy democratic system that works for the people.

What if you don't have that or are simply stuck in a cycle or promising to do better without any real change. Just playing Devil's advocate here as I don't disagree with you. However some things have become so 'accepted' that change by peaceful 'out of the way' protests falls on deaf ears or is soon forgotten again.

For example, in September already
Police reforms stall around the country, despite new wave of activism

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/23/breonna-taylor-police-reforms-420799

The announcement Wednesday that Kentucky officials will not charge the police officers for shooting and killing Breonna Taylor, an unarmed Black woman, in her apartment in March just reinforced the feeling that as much as Black Lives Matter and police reform movements may have grabbed the public’s attention, they have yet to upend the status quo when it comes to race and public safety.

That’s particularly evident at the state and federal level, where Congress and a majority of state legislatures have taken no action, and even states with liberal leadership in governor’s mansions and state capitals have failed to move aggressively. Activists tracking bills in state legislatures attribute the inaction to two factors: push back from powerful police unions and poor timing.

Can't find anything more recent on police reforms, all forgotten, except in New Jersey
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/12/new-jersey-police-reform/617436/

It's a start and ironically it's bypassing the 'democratic system' that makes it possible
Gurbir Grewal, the 47-year-old Democrat who was appointed New Jersey’s attorney general in 2017, doesn’t have to worry about persuading recalcitrant legislators or winning reelection. Grewal has more individual power over his state’s police forces than almost any other official in America, and this afternoon, he will deploy that power to unilaterally overhaul New Jersey’s use-of-force policies and retrain every police officer in the nation’s most densely populated state.



People will eventually get tired of the status quo and vote for something that will hopefully result in disruptive change.
Trump was actually such a thing, many people voted because it was different from the status quo... A protest vote so to speak.
Obviously that resulted in a cluster-fuck, drama-filled, 4-year long comedy act... But obviously people had enough.

It will occur again, political history tends to repeat itself.



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vivster 6 days ago

Looks like the chances for removal will once again be zero. Republican senators will have too many reasons to vote against it, one of which is to not get killed by angry cultists.



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OTBWY 5 days ago

Pence will not continue with the 25th. Conservatives are desperate for a spin, or just another scandal so people forget the previous one. You know, what Trump did for 4 years in rapid succession. However, people won't forget the Capitol coup attempt easily. Enough hopefully to remember it in 2 years.



vivster 5 days ago

Looks like conservatives think that it is possible for Trump to be removed. I just don't see it. Mitch isn't even willing to convene the senate and he's saying that he supports the impeachment.



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Hiku 5 days ago

I'm shocked...



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Hiku 5 days ago


Rep. Crow: Majority Of Republicans 'Paralyzed With Fear' To Vote For Impeachment | MTP Daily | MSNBC - YouTube

Some GOP members reportedly broke down in tears, saying they're afraid for their lives if they vote to impeach.

While I can sympathize with that... We fucking told you since Day 1 to not feed these psychos comspiracy theories, or support those who do.



Bofferbrauer2 5 days ago
curl-6 said:

"Everything I don't like is socialism."

I bet the majority of these clowns couldn't define socialism correctly if their life depended on it.

Or democracy. Or a republic (since many of them claim that the US is a republic, not a democracy, not knowing what that would entail). Or their individual rights for that matter.

Hiku said:


Rep. Crow: Majority Of Republicans 'Paralyzed With Fear' To Vote For Impeachment | MTP Daily | MSNBC - YouTube

Some GOP members reportedly broke down in tears, saying they're afraid for their lives if they vote to impeach.

While I can sympathize with that... We fucking told you since Day 1 to not feed these psychos comspiracy theories, or support those who do.

They fed the troll, and now want to stop it. But the Troll is getting more and more hungry if they do so, and he's out for blood if he's hungry...

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haxxiy 5 days ago

I'm not sure if there are the votes for removal in the Senate, unless some Republicans opt for abstention to lower the threshold. Even then, Dump is 100% going to lose his political rights, so he's toast regardless.



 

 

 

 

 

sundin13 5 days ago

haxxiy said:

Even then, Dump is 100% going to lose his political rights, so he's toast regardless.

What do you mean by this?



KLAMarine 5 days ago
vivster said:

Looks like the chances for removal will once again be zero. Republican senators will have too many reasons to vote against it, one of which is to not get killed by angry cultists.

That's voting for ya: it will get Biden in and will also keep Trump in until then.

Hiku said:

I'm shocked...

Who were these off-duty cop rioters?