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Runa216 said:
KLAMarine said:

"From my position here, where nobody discriminates against me,"

>? Are you invulnerable from discrimination? How?

"I can certainly imagine myself retaliating violently if someone did a racism against me."

>What's a "racism"?

"Since I have empathy, I don't vilify those who would fight back. Not as aggressors, but as the victims lashing out."

>For the family business near my home, the people who tore the place down WERE aggressors. Clear and obvious aggressors: it worries me you won't see these aggressors as aggressors if they're BLM...

1 - I am a blonde-haired, blue-eyed, white male who until recently identified as a straight male. Nobody's discriminating against me. I am not a person of colour, I am not a woman, and like I said until recently I was not a member of the LGBT community (Well, not openly, anyway.) Nobody's discriminating against me in a way that has any effect. 

2 - a racism is just a cheeky way to describe an act of racism. IE: Nobody's shooting me in the back or targetting me for my skin colour or gender. 

3 - I think you're misrepresenting the data, more than anything else. You're misassociating. Supporting BLM and being a shitty person are not mutually exclusive, nor are they intrinsically linked. I am not saying someone who supports BLM is incapable of being a bad person or targeting your friend's business, and I'm not saying they're definitely a supporter or not. Those things are not related. I am saying that, given BLM's goals during all this, that rioting and vandalizing and looting are counterproductive to their cause. The more likely explanation is that these people were opportunists using the protests as an excuse to loot and plunder. They might even be hardcore supporters of BLM, but if that's the case then their act here is not a part of BLM's goals and thus they shouldn't represent the movement in your eyes. 

I don't think you should judge BLM or misrepresent their goals based on what a handful of folks did to your friend. Correlation is not causation, and looting is an unfortunate side effect when any large-scale protest happens. 

I don't believe either that only peaceful protests can bring about change. At the very least an act of defiance is needed to start the road to change and protesting in designated protest areas isn't it.

However: "I am saying that, given BLM's goals during all this, that rioting and vandalizing and looting are counterproductive to their cause" You are contradicting yourself, promoting violent resistance while saying it's counter productive.

There is a difference between acts of defiance and violent protests. Look at the Gaza strip, violence isn't getting them anywhere. Any act of defiance garnering them outside pressure on Israel, is eroded again by continuing acts of violence, keeping the status quo in place.

Blockades can be effective, random violence never is. Block major road arteries away from city centers, that will vastly reduce the chance of looters taking advantage as well.



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SvennoJ said:
Runa216 said:

1 - I am a blonde-haired, blue-eyed, white male who until recently identified as a straight male. Nobody's discriminating against me. I am not a person of colour, I am not a woman, and like I said until recently I was not a member of the LGBT community (Well, not openly, anyway.) Nobody's discriminating against me in a way that has any effect. 

2 - a racism is just a cheeky way to describe an act of racism. IE: Nobody's shooting me in the back or targetting me for my skin colour or gender. 

3 - I think you're misrepresenting the data, more than anything else. You're misassociating. Supporting BLM and being a shitty person are not mutually exclusive, nor are they intrinsically linked. I am not saying someone who supports BLM is incapable of being a bad person or targeting your friend's business, and I'm not saying they're definitely a supporter or not. Those things are not related. I am saying that, given BLM's goals during all this, that rioting and vandalizing and looting are counterproductive to their cause. The more likely explanation is that these people were opportunists using the protests as an excuse to loot and plunder. They might even be hardcore supporters of BLM, but if that's the case then their act here is not a part of BLM's goals and thus they shouldn't represent the movement in your eyes. 

I don't think you should judge BLM or misrepresent their goals based on what a handful of folks did to your friend. Correlation is not causation, and looting is an unfortunate side effect when any large-scale protest happens. 

I don't believe either that only peaceful protests can bring about change. At the very least an act of defiance is needed to start the road to change and protesting in designated protest areas isn't it.

However: "I am saying that, given BLM's goals during all this, that rioting and vandalizing and looting are counterproductive to their cause" You are contradicting yourself, promoting violent resistance while saying it's counter productive.

There is a difference between acts of defiance and violent protests. Look at the Gaza strip, violence isn't getting them anywhere. Any act of defiance garnering them outside pressure on Israel, is eroded again by continuing acts of violence, keeping the status quo in place.

Blockades can be effective, random violence never is. Block major road arteries away from city centers, that will vastly reduce the chance of looters taking advantage as well.

To be fair I didn't say that a solution had been found, yet. I am not saying that we NEED violence or that BLM/Antifa needs to be violent, just that historically that has been the bottom line. as it currently stands, the BLM protests have been done with intent of peaceful resistance and nonviolence. I just acknowledge that, if things don't change, that goal and mission statement might need to change. 



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Runa216 said:
KLAMarine said:

"From my position here, where nobody discriminates against me,"

>? Are you invulnerable from discrimination? How?

"I can certainly imagine myself retaliating violently if someone did a racism against me."

>What's a "racism"?

"Since I have empathy, I don't vilify those who would fight back. Not as aggressors, but as the victims lashing out."

>For the family business near my home, the people who tore the place down WERE aggressors. Clear and obvious aggressors: it worries me you won't see these aggressors as aggressors if they're BLM...

1 - I am a blonde-haired, blue-eyed, white male who until recently identified as a straight male. Nobody's discriminating against me. I am not a person of colour, I am not a woman, and like I said until recently I was not a member of the LGBT community (Well, not openly, anyway.) Nobody's discriminating against me in a way that has any effect. 

2 - a racism is just a cheeky way to describe an act of racism. IE: Nobody's shooting me in the back or targetting me for my skin colour or gender. 

3 - I think you're misrepresenting the data, more than anything else. You're misassociating. Supporting BLM and being a shitty person are not mutually exclusive, nor are they intrinsically linked. I am not saying someone who supports BLM is incapable of being a bad person or targeting your friend's business, and I'm not saying they're definitely a supporter or not. Those things are not related. I am saying that, given BLM's goals during all this, that rioting and vandalizing and looting are counterproductive to their cause. The more likely explanation is that these people were opportunists using the protests as an excuse to loot and plunder. They might even be hardcore supporters of BLM, but if that's the case then their act here is not a part of BLM's goals and thus they shouldn't represent the movement in your eyes. 

I don't think you should judge BLM or misrepresent their goals based on what a handful of folks did to your friend. Correlation is not causation, and looting is an unfortunate side effect when any large-scale protest happens. 

1. Still not seeing the part that's supposed to make you invulnerable to discrimination...

2. If I shot you in the back, would I be guilty of a "racism"?



JWeinCom said:
Runa216 said:

and while I truly do wish we could clean up our act without violence, I think at this point it's clear that the only way any progress is going to be made is if we protest and if we riot for what's truly important. 

Black lives are worth rioting over. 

LGBT+ Lives are worth rioting over.

Women are worth rioting over.

White dudes with fragile egos and more guns than common sense upset about losing an election is not a cause worth fighting for. These people are villains. Terrorists. And yes, historical context is important. There is no white genocide. There is no conspiracy against men or straight people, but there is a historical precedent for minorities being opressed. How some people out there don't get this is absolutely baffling to me. 

There are pretty much no circumstances where we are going to allow people to endorse violence. We are not going to distinguish based on whether the riot is "justified". I'll keep it simple because I'm not trying to start a debate, but you need to drop any pro-violence pro-riot rhetoric immediately.

This.
As someone who is LGBTQI+, there is never a reason to riot and I would be absolutely disgusted if people used the LGBTQI+ community as justification to riot and cause destruction and chaos.
Womens rights and black lives are the same.

There is never an excuse to riot, cause destruction and destroy lives and livelihoods, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things.

A free nation typically has the freedom to "protest" as one of it's founding pillars of freedom, which typically accompanies other freedoms like free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of association.

Protesting is one thing... It's peaceful.

But when it delves into chaos then the legal system needs to crack down hard, the reasoning for the riot is ultimately irrelevant at that point.

LGBTQI+, Women and People of Colour have continued to gain more rights and equal rights over time in Australia via peaceful means, through petitions, legislation, voting and peaceful protests, it works when you have a healthy democratic system that works for the people.



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Another point about rioting:

When someone makes the decision to try and escalate a protest into a riot, they're not doing it for “the good of the cause.” They’re just blatantly using the cause as an excuse to break the law and do stupid, reckless, dangerous things that puts others at risk, thinking they’ll be able to get away with it. And that does far more harm than good.



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Pemalite said:
JWeinCom said:

There are pretty much no circumstances where we are going to allow people to endorse violence. We are not going to distinguish based on whether the riot is "justified". I'll keep it simple because I'm not trying to start a debate, but you need to drop any pro-violence pro-riot rhetoric immediately.

This.
As someone who is LGBTQI+, there is never a reason to riot and I would be absolutely disgusted if people used the LGBTQI+ community as justification to riot and cause destruction and chaos.
Womens rights and black lives are the same.

There is never an excuse to riot, cause destruction and destroy lives and livelihoods, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things.

A free nation typically has the freedom to "protest" as one of it's founding pillars of freedom, which typically accompanies other freedoms like free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of association.

Protesting is one thing... It's peaceful.

But when it delves into chaos then the legal system needs to crack down hard, the reasoning for the riot is ultimately irrelevant at that point.

LGBTQI+, Women and People of Colour have continued to gain more rights and equal rights over time in Australia via peaceful means, through petitions, legislation, voting and peaceful protests, it works when you have a healthy democratic system that works for the people.

What if you don't have that or are simply stuck in a cycle or promising to do better without any real change. Just playing Devil's advocate here as I don't disagree with you. However some things have become so 'accepted' that change by peaceful 'out of the way' protests falls on deaf ears or is soon forgotten again.

For example, in September already
Police reforms stall around the country, despite new wave of activism

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/23/breonna-taylor-police-reforms-420799

The announcement Wednesday that Kentucky officials will not charge the police officers for shooting and killing Breonna Taylor, an unarmed Black woman, in her apartment in March just reinforced the feeling that as much as Black Lives Matter and police reform movements may have grabbed the public’s attention, they have yet to upend the status quo when it comes to race and public safety.

That’s particularly evident at the state and federal level, where Congress and a majority of state legislatures have taken no action, and even states with liberal leadership in governor’s mansions and state capitals have failed to move aggressively. Activists tracking bills in state legislatures attribute the inaction to two factors: push back from powerful police unions and poor timing.

Can't find anything more recent on police reforms, all forgotten, except in New Jersey
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/12/new-jersey-police-reform/617436/

It's a start and ironically it's bypassing the 'democratic system' that makes it possible
Gurbir Grewal, the 47-year-old Democrat who was appointed New Jersey’s attorney general in 2017, doesn’t have to worry about persuading recalcitrant legislators or winning reelection. Grewal has more individual power over his state’s police forces than almost any other official in America, and this afternoon, he will deploy that power to unilaterally overhaul New Jersey’s use-of-force policies and retrain every police officer in the nation’s most densely populated state.





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curl-6 said:

Yeah that's what the QAnon/MAGA cultists all seem to be telling themselves at the moment.

"The storm is coming, wait and see, you'll love how this ends. God's plan cannot be stopped!"

"Files on Pelosi's laptop incriminate the globalist communist pedophile cabal, the pope has been arrested, Trump is in Texas right now meeting with the heads of the military, there will be martial law and military tribunals and the democrats will be all executed for treason, all this happening in the next few days, be ready."

"Biden will never be president, looking forward to 4 more years of Trump our saviour."

In 9 days when Trump is no longer president, and there is no great unmasking of this mythical NWO pedophile vampire illuminati, the fragile fantasy they've built is going to come crashing down for a lot of these people.

Lol, with a few QAnon friends on my FB, I can assure you they will just move to the next rumor.  Whoever is pulling their strings is having a ball.  Every time one of these rumors start to fly around, I have asked my QAnon friends what happens if this doesn't occur and they pretty much always say wait and see.  When it doesn't happen they just move to the next rumor and if you question anything, well you do not have the eyes to see what they do.  

Yeah that sounds like a cult alright. Still, I think at least some people who haven't been totally consumed will start to finally wake up and realize it's all bullshit eventually; even in cults, some people do eventually wise up and leave.



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