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Stefan.De.Machtige on 13 April 2020

Please vote for my friend Joe, my socialist bros...

-Bernie Sanders



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 13 April 2020
Moren said:

They will see, we'll fight until eternity 

Come with me, we'll stand and fight together 

Through our strength, we'll make a better day

Tomorrow, We

Shall Never Surrender... (against Trump)



tsogud on 13 April 2020
the-pi-guy said:

Joe Biden:

"You don't get enough credit, Bernie for being the voice that forces us to take a hard look in the mirror and ask ourselves, 'Have we done enough?' And we haven’t."

The two candidates also announced the creation of six joint task forces between their two campaign staffs to help “create new ideas and proposals” around issues like climate change, criminal justice, the economy, and education. Biden asked Sanders what the most important issue for his younger supporters is, to which the Vermont senator said student debt topped the list. Upon questioning from Sanders, Biden said he supported a $15 minimum wage."

That's what I'm talking about; that's what I want to see, that's how you win people. I'm glad Biden is taking these steps, hope isn't lost. Please for the love of God not a public option!!



 

tsogud on 13 April 2020
gergroy said:
tsogud said:

That's not how voting works. I voted FOR Clinton in the general last time because despite the ideological difference and her major flaws, I still felt she was a semi-decent person that was extremely competent and capable to be president. Can't say the same for Biden. I'm not a never Biden person but he does have to give people like me a reason to vote FOR him. It's really quite simple too, support M4A and bolder action to combat climate change. If he supported that I can suck it up and go against my beliefs and vote for him, despite me believing Tara Reade.

I'm tired of my community being taken for granted by the Democratic party, just because they throw us a bone every once in awhile doesn't mean I should pledge my allegiance to them. Every election cycle it's the same shit, POC bending the knee to oppressive old white men who just give us an inch because the other guy ain't giving us any. I feel like a bargaining chip. I'm honestly over being taken for granted and giving oppressors power, I'm not supporting someone who doesn't listen to my people and their needs. He should be better and if he does get better, he'll have my vote.

My people suffered before Trump and they'll suffer after if something doesn't change. The only difference now is that Trump brings to light all the racism, hatred, bigotry and oppression the status quo is to white people that we poc been knew was there. White people are uncomfortable and want him out so they can go back to being apathetic.

So... your sick of your community being taken advantage of... and you don’t like the bones the Democratic Party throws you... so you are fine with letting the guy that is actually taking bones AWAY from you stay in office?  

I mean, it’s your vote, do what you want with it... There is just no way in hell trump is gonna be better for you than Biden.  Not in the long term or the short term.

Democrats lose in November do you think they are gonna feel regret for not nominating Sanders?  Certainly didn’t hear any of that last time.  It was just about how Clinton failed and underestimated trump in key states.  

Not voting for Biden is going to make a statement to yourself and nobody else.  If you want to make that statement to yourself great, just don’t complain about trump.

I didn't say I was okay with Trump, no need to put words into my mouth especially when this entire time I've been vocal against his administration..

And thanks for telling me what I can and can't do regarding complaints like I don't get enough of that dismissive stuff from men on a daily. I should just be a good little girl and shut my mouth up then I guess..

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tsogud on 13 April 2020
Raven said:
tsogud said:

That's not how voting works. I voted FOR Clinton in the general last time because despite the ideological difference and her major flaws, I still felt she was a semi-decent person that was extremely competent and capable to be president. Can't say the same for Biden. I'm not a never Biden person but he does have to give people like me a reason to vote FOR him. It's really quite simple too, support M4A and bolder action to combat climate change. If he supported that I can suck it up and go against my beliefs and vote for him, despite me believing Tara Reade.

I'm tired of my community being taken for granted by the Democratic party, just because they throw us a bone every once in awhile doesn't mean I should pledge my allegiance to them. Every election cycle it's the same shit, POC bending the knee to oppressive old white men who just give us an inch because the other guy ain't giving us any. I feel like a bargaining chip. I'm honestly over being taken for granted and giving oppressors power, I'm not supporting someone who doesn't listen to my people and their needs. He should be better and if he does get better, he'll have my vote.

My people suffered before Trump and they'll suffer after if something doesn't change. The only difference now is that Trump brings to light all the racism, hatred, bigotry and oppression the status quo is to white people that we poc been knew was there. White people are uncomfortable and want him out so they can go back to being apathetic.

I understand the feeling behind it, but in this case we have an incumbent administration that has actively and successfully taken steps to discriminate and marginalize this very same community. Wouldn't it be better to vote against them in favor of an administration that wouldn't do such a thing?

Thank you for understanding. I want the democratic party to be the best it can be and I want them to listen to legitimate concerns instead of special interests. Supporting M4A and bolder action against climate change should be a no brainer and would strengthen our party's platform. It's my compromise, I'm willing to vote for an alleged rapist to save my community. Not supporting those positions, I believe, is actively discriminating against my community.

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tsogud on 13 April 2020
Machiavellian said:
tsogud said:

That's not how voting works. I voted FOR Clinton in the general last time because despite the ideological difference and her major flaws, I still felt she was a semi-decent person that was extremely competent and capable to be president. Can't say the same for Biden. I'm not a never Biden person but he does have to give people like me a reason to vote FOR him. It's really quite simple too, support M4A and bolder action to combat climate change. If he supported that I can suck it up and go against my beliefs and vote for him, despite me believing Tara Reade.

I'm tired of my community being taken for granted by the Democratic party, just because they throw us a bone every once in awhile doesn't mean I should pledge my allegiance to them. Every election cycle it's the same shit, POC bending the knee to oppressive old white men who just give us an inch because the other guy ain't giving us any. I feel like a bargaining chip. I'm honestly over being taken for granted and giving oppressors power, I'm not supporting someone who doesn't listen to my people and their needs. He should be better and if he does get better, he'll have my vote.

My people suffered before Trump and they'll suffer after if something doesn't change. The only difference now is that Trump brings to light all the racism, hatred, bigotry and oppression the status quo is to white people that we poc been knew was there. White people are uncomfortable and want him out so they can go back to being apathetic.

Which political party do you believe you can have the best representation in.  The GOP or the Dems.  That is the real question you should be asking.  Change doesn't happen overnight but there is definitely one party that accept change better than others and also give better chances.  The chance to get better representation is the key you are looking for.  Not voting is definitely a vote for Trump because the GOP is hopping Dem turn out is smaller.  Its why they look for many ways to suppress the vote.  Smaller voting pools mean better chance for GOP candidate.

I believe the Democratic party can be salvaged and I believe in regular everyday people in the party. My problem is the party establishment needs to change and listen to the people rather than special interests. You're right, change doesn't happen overnight. Even if Bernie was the nominee, nothing would change if we, the people, don't organize and put pressure on those in power. It will always be a struggle but I believe the Democrats, once pushed in the right direction, can be something better than it is now. There's no hope for the Republican party, we'll just have to drag them left kicking and screaming.



 

LurkerJ on 13 April 2020
Moren said:
LurkerJ said:
"Which alleged rapist are y’all voting for?"

Thanks for your good contributions.

Moren said:
LurkerJ said:

The audacity of that stealth edit! It's just innocent kisses and touches and hugs from a very powerful man. It only made the women uncomfortable, Nothing to report here! I mean.. am I surprised Joe is handsy and creepy? Big fat no.

But I am surprised we are told not to be outraged by it by the same people who have been selling us fake outrage for few years now.

Thanks for the NYT article!

I'll be sure to share that with undecided voters that have legitimate concerns.

You've been thanking me a lot lately, you're welcome.

This will only be picked up further by the progressive left outlets. 



Mnementh on 14 April 2020
the-pi-guy said:

Joe Biden:

"You don't get enough credit, Bernie for being the voice that forces us to take a hard look in the mirror and ask ourselves, 'Have we done enough?' And we haven’t."

The two candidates also announced the creation of six joint task forces between their two campaign staffs to help “create new ideas and proposals” around issues like climate change, criminal justice, the economy, and education. Biden asked Sanders what the most important issue for his younger supporters is, to which the Vermont senator said student debt topped the list. Upon questioning from Sanders, Biden said he supported a $15 minimum wage."

That is positive and how you win the progressive voters. Not the talk about that it is their damn obligation to vote for him. Don't take the voters for granted, make step to woo them and it may work. This is a great step.



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Mnementh on 14 April 2020

Well, look at that:

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/13/21219715/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-endorsement-democratic-primary-2020

"But what Biden is proving in this campaign is he’s just as willing to cut deals with the left, and his coalitional approach to politics is an opportunity for them to influence him, as well."

Let's hope so.

Mnementh said:

Biden isn't entitled to get progressive votes. He has to earn them.

In difference to many supporters of Biden in this forum and otherwise, the Biden campaign seems to understand what I was saying with that (not that they listened to me, they got the idea themself, which is good) and weren't feeling entitled to get the progressive vote or demanding it. I want to underline that this is a really great thing and I have to congratulate Biden and his campaign. And this is a major chance for leftist and progressives to bring on some change. Maybe not as much as with Sanders, but it seems Biden is willing to compromise to the left. If that isn't just cosmetics but we see real cooperation over the next months I can see Biden winning the much of the progressive vote.



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LurkerJ on 14 April 2020

Political drama on the highest level, love it