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I'd like to remind people in this thread that the two possible victors this fall are the party that cut the uninsured rate in half and the party that will not let you vote without risking the contraction and spread of a deadly disease.



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LurkerJ said:

The audacity of that stealth edit! It's just innocent kisses and touches and hugs from a very powerful man. It only made the women uncomfortable, Nothing to report here! I mean.. am I surprised Joe is handsy and creepy? Big fat no.

But I am surprised we are told not to be outraged by it by the same people who have been selling us fake outrage for few years now.

Thanks for the NYT article!

I'll be sure to share that with undecided voters that have legitimate concerns.



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gergroy said:
tsogud said:

Yeah I've seen some give and it is actually pretty good by November I hope he's on board for M4A and bold action to combat climate change. I believe those are winning positions.

I know the primary is still raw for some people, but the idea of just not voting for a candidate because you don’t like some of their policies is why we have trump as president right now.  A lot of democrats stayed home last election, especially in the rust belt, because they didn’t like Hillary.  While Hillary was a terrible candidate, do you think she would have done as much to sabotage health care and climate change as trump has?  Those are the two stated policies you seem to care most about.  On one hand you have somebody who is actively working against your ideas, and one person who supports your ideas, but doesn’t go far enough...  Seems pretty clear cut that you should vote for Biden. Not voting is a vote for trump.    

That's not how voting works. I voted FOR Clinton in the general last time because despite the ideological difference and her major flaws, I still felt she was a semi-decent person that was extremely competent and capable to be president. Can't say the same for Biden. I'm not a never Biden person but he does have to give people like me a reason to vote FOR him. It's really quite simple too, support M4A and bolder action to combat climate change. If he supported that I can suck it up and go against my beliefs and vote for him, despite me believing Tara Reade.

I'm tired of my community being taken for granted by the Democratic party, just because they throw us a bone every once in awhile doesn't mean I should pledge my allegiance to them. Every election cycle it's the same shit, POC bending the knee to oppressive old white men who just give us an inch because the other guy ain't giving us any. I feel like a bargaining chip. I'm honestly over being taken for granted and giving oppressors power, I'm not supporting someone who doesn't listen to my people and their needs. He should be better and if he does get better, he'll have my vote.

My people suffered before Trump and they'll suffer after if something doesn't change. The only difference now is that Trump brings to light all the racism, hatred, bigotry and oppression the status quo is to white people that we poc been knew was there. White people are uncomfortable and want him out so they can go back to being apathetic.



 

tsogud said:
gergroy said:

I know the primary is still raw for some people, but the idea of just not voting for a candidate because you don’t like some of their policies is why we have trump as president right now.  A lot of democrats stayed home last election, especially in the rust belt, because they didn’t like Hillary.  While Hillary was a terrible candidate, do you think she would have done as much to sabotage health care and climate change as trump has?  Those are the two stated policies you seem to care most about.  On one hand you have somebody who is actively working against your ideas, and one person who supports your ideas, but doesn’t go far enough...  Seems pretty clear cut that you should vote for Biden. Not voting is a vote for trump.    

That's not how voting works. I voted FOR Clinton in the general last time because despite the ideological difference and her major flaws, I still felt she was a semi-decent person that was extremely competent and capable to be president. Can't say the same for Biden. I'm not a never Biden person but he does have to give people like me a reason to vote FOR him. It's really quite simple too, support M4A and bolder action to combat climate change. If he supported that I can suck it up and go against my beliefs and vote for him, despite me believing Tara Reade.

I'm tired of my community being taken for granted by the Democratic party, just because they throw us a bone every once in awhile doesn't mean I should pledge my allegiance to them. Every election cycle it's the same shit, POC bending the knee to oppressive old white men who just give us an inch because the other guy ain't giving us any. I feel like a bargaining chip. I'm honestly over being taken for granted and giving oppressors power, I'm not supporting someone who doesn't listen to my people and their needs. He should be better and if he does get better, he'll have my vote.

My people suffered before Trump and they'll suffer after if something doesn't change. The only difference now is that Trump brings to light all the racism, hatred, bigotry and oppression the status quo is to white people that we poc been knew was there. White people are uncomfortable and want him out so they can go back to being apathetic.

I understand the feeling behind it, but in this case we have an incumbent administration that has actively and successfully taken steps to discriminate and marginalize this very same community. Wouldn't it be better to vote against them in favor of an administration that wouldn't do such a thing?



tsogud said:
gergroy said:

I know the primary is still raw for some people, but the idea of just not voting for a candidate because you don’t like some of their policies is why we have trump as president right now.  A lot of democrats stayed home last election, especially in the rust belt, because they didn’t like Hillary.  While Hillary was a terrible candidate, do you think she would have done as much to sabotage health care and climate change as trump has?  Those are the two stated policies you seem to care most about.  On one hand you have somebody who is actively working against your ideas, and one person who supports your ideas, but doesn’t go far enough...  Seems pretty clear cut that you should vote for Biden. Not voting is a vote for trump.    

That's not how voting works. I voted FOR Clinton in the general last time because despite the ideological difference and her major flaws, I still felt she was a semi-decent person that was extremely competent and capable to be president. Can't say the same for Biden. I'm not a never Biden person but he does have to give people like me a reason to vote FOR him. It's really quite simple too, support M4A and bolder action to combat climate change. If he supported that I can suck it up and go against my beliefs and vote for him, despite me believing Tara Reade.

I'm tired of my community being taken for granted by the Democratic party, just because they throw us a bone every once in awhile doesn't mean I should pledge my allegiance to them. Every election cycle it's the same shit, POC bending the knee to oppressive old white men who just give us an inch because the other guy ain't giving us any. I feel like a bargaining chip. I'm honestly over being taken for granted and giving oppressors power, I'm not supporting someone who doesn't listen to my people and their needs. He should be better and if he does get better, he'll have my vote.

My people suffered before Trump and they'll suffer after if something doesn't change. The only difference now is that Trump brings to light all the racism, hatred, bigotry and oppression the status quo is to white people that we poc been knew was there. White people are uncomfortable and want him out so they can go back to being apathetic.

So... your sick of your community being taken advantage of... and you don’t like the bones the Democratic Party throws you... so you are fine with letting the guy that is actually taking bones AWAY from you stay in office?  

I mean, it’s your vote, do what you want with it... There is just no way in hell trump is gonna be better for you than Biden.  Not in the long term or the short term.

Democrats lose in November do you think they are gonna feel regret for not nominating Sanders?  Certainly didn’t hear any of that last time.  It was just about how Clinton failed and underestimated trump in key states.  

Not voting for Biden is going to make a statement to yourself and nobody else.  If you want to make that statement to yourself great, just don’t complain about trump.



tsogud said:
gergroy said:

I know the primary is still raw for some people, but the idea of just not voting for a candidate because you don’t like some of their policies is why we have trump as president right now.  A lot of democrats stayed home last election, especially in the rust belt, because they didn’t like Hillary.  While Hillary was a terrible candidate, do you think she would have done as much to sabotage health care and climate change as trump has?  Those are the two stated policies you seem to care most about.  On one hand you have somebody who is actively working against your ideas, and one person who supports your ideas, but doesn’t go far enough...  Seems pretty clear cut that you should vote for Biden. Not voting is a vote for trump.    

That's not how voting works. I voted FOR Clinton in the general last time because despite the ideological difference and her major flaws, I still felt she was a semi-decent person that was extremely competent and capable to be president. Can't say the same for Biden. I'm not a never Biden person but he does have to give people like me a reason to vote FOR him. It's really quite simple too, support M4A and bolder action to combat climate change. If he supported that I can suck it up and go against my beliefs and vote for him, despite me believing Tara Reade.

I'm tired of my community being taken for granted by the Democratic party, just because they throw us a bone every once in awhile doesn't mean I should pledge my allegiance to them. Every election cycle it's the same shit, POC bending the knee to oppressive old white men who just give us an inch because the other guy ain't giving us any. I feel like a bargaining chip. I'm honestly over being taken for granted and giving oppressors power, I'm not supporting someone who doesn't listen to my people and their needs. He should be better and if he does get better, he'll have my vote.

My people suffered before Trump and they'll suffer after if something doesn't change. The only difference now is that Trump brings to light all the racism, hatred, bigotry and oppression the status quo is to white people that we poc been knew was there. White people are uncomfortable and want him out so they can go back to being apathetic.

Which political party do you believe you can have the best representation in.  The GOP or the Dems.  That is the real question you should be asking.  Change doesn't happen overnight but there is definitely one party that accept change better than others and also give better chances.  The chance to get better representation is the key you are looking for.  Not voting is definitely a vote for Trump because the GOP is hopping Dem turn out is smaller.  Its why they look for many ways to suppress the vote.  Smaller voting pools mean better chance for GOP candidate.



Last edited by Moren - on 13 April 2020