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jason1637 said:
uran10 said:

Obama giving the election to trump on a silver platter

Biden can beat Trump.

Sure, the guy who can barely speak a proper sentence without forgetting what he's spoken about and has been on the wrong side of history for almost every issue in the last 40 years will beat Trump. Sorry but that's not the case. Biden is food for Trump. A "centrist" (aka right winger) cannot beat Trump and his fake populism. We've been through this song a dance. Do you know the last time a Centrist won a Presidential Election? They've been on a losing streak and the only "centrist" who won was Obama who ran as a progressive. In other words, every election since the year 2000 the "centrist" has lost, but sure, they'll somehow come around and Beat Trump with the same strat that lost to him 4 years ago.



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SpokenTruth said:
Mnementh said:

EDIT: Also, newest polls indicate Biden surging in CA and TX.

Which ones?  I don't see much but a return to near where he was around mid Feb in Cali and Tex. 

Well, he was below viability in Cali and is now above 20% in the average and also grows in Texas (but Sanders does as well).

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/california/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/texas/



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SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

Biden can beat Trump.

No, no he can't.  And won't.  He doesn't even have near the support that Hillary had and look how that turned out.  And don't think the left leaning voters of the Democratic party aren't still pissed about 2016.  If they do that shit twice.....

Well of course he doesnt have the support Hillary has because there are more Democrats running. Bernie doesnt even have the same support as Hillary. No Democrat does right now because of how many people running.

If you look at the electoral college Biden has a good chance at winning MI, PA, and NC. FL, and AZ are also on the table. Most polls have Biden beating Trump. Unlike Hillary Biden has the ability to turnout African American voters and can carry the momentum from 2018 in the suburbs by runnin on the Obama/Biden economy.

uran10 said:
jason1637 said:

Biden can beat Trump.

Sure, the guy who can barely speak a proper sentence without forgetting what he's spoken about and has been on the wrong side of history for almost every issue in the last 40 years will beat Trump. Sorry but that's not the case. Biden is food for Trump. A "centrist" (aka right winger) cannot beat Trump and his fake populism. We've been through this song a dance. Do you know the last time a Centrist won a Presidential Election? They've been on a losing streak and the only "centrist" who won was Obama who ran as a progressive. In other words, every election since the year 2000 the "centrist" has lost, but sure, they'll somehow come around and Beat Trump with the same strat that lost to him 4 years ago.

Biden can speak well. He has a disability that makes it hard for him to speak sometimes but you can't really knock him for something so hard to control. 

Biden has relatively progressive or left leaning plans when you actually read through his website. Yeah they're to the right of Bernie but that does not make him a right winger.

Bush Jr 1st term, Clinton, Bush Sr, and Obama 2nd term ran on moderate/centrist platforms and won. A crazy socialist is gonna turn off a lot of voters.



OK, now Biden was endorsed by the former candidates Buttigieg, O'Rourke and Klobuchar and got other important endorsements from Debiie Wasserman-Schultz, Tammy Duckworth and Harry Reid along a flood of smaller endorsements. he won more than 60 points in the 538-endorsement tracker over the last two days. At this point is pretty clear who is the candidate the party wants. That is a big difference to the Republican Primaries 2016. And this also means Bloomberg has probably no chance (and good riddance).

The polls all aren't including these newest development, so the results are now pretty open. Super Tuesday may redefine the frontrunner.



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Steyer out, Mayo Pete out, Amy out. Wow.. Guess it's all hands on deck for Joe Biden against the Bern. Lord knows the man probably needs all the support he can get! Funny enough how Warren (who probably from 60-70% of her supporters would migrate to Bernie) isn't dropping out though.

Though I guess I'm being hypocritical in a sense as I don't want Tulsi to drop out (even though she inevitably will). I think at this point she's just staying in as a giant screw you to the establishment which I appreciate (and it's not like she's holding back many votes for Bern as she doesn't have much support anyway), whereas Warren seems to be geniunly hanging around to split the Bernie vote.



 

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SpokenTruth said:
DarthMetalliCube said:
Steyer out, Mayo Pete out, Amy out. Wow.. Guess it's all hands on deck for Joe Biden against the Bern. Lord knows the man probably needs all the support he can get! Funny enough how Warren (who probably from 60-70% of her supporters would migrate to Bernie) isn't dropping out though.

Though I guess I'm being hypocritical in a sense as I don't want Tulsi to drop out (even though she inevitably will). I think at this point she's just staying in as a giant screw you to the establishment which I appreciate (and it's not like she's holding back many votes for Bern as she doesn't have much support anyway), whereas Warren seems to be geniunly hanging around to split the Bernie vote.

That's precisely what Warren is doing. 

During Debate 9, all candidates were asked, "Should the person with the most delegates at the end of this primary season be the nominee even if they are short of a majority?" They all said no, except Sanders.  We knew from that moment the fix was in.

That was pretty shocking to me. Though I guess I shouldn't be too surprised given the 2016 shenanigans.. 

Ultimately what I predicted seems to be transpiring at this point. Everything's conglomerating to the moderate/centrist/establishment faction which is Biden VS the farther left/independent/anti-establishment faction Bernie (thought maybe that could have been Warren until she shot herself in the foot with a number of actions of late). You also have the Biden-esque Bloomberg who's pouring an absurd amount of cash into trying to buy an election but the problem is he's just not liked lol. 

If Warren and Tulsi both drop out I feel it'll tip the scales in favor of Bernie. Warren's reamining voters probably 60-70% go to Bernie (which is a pretty big chunk considering her relatively popularity) whereas Tulsi is probably something like 90% either go Bernie, sit it out, or write in someone (though again, us Tulsicrats are a very VERY small faction of voters so it won't really make a huge difference when it comes to her). I see very very few Tulsicrats shifting to Biden. 

If Bloomberg by some marginal chance decides to back out, Biden gets a pretty big boost. I guess you can also look at him splitting the Biden vote so maybe I should root for him to stay in haha.

Anyway.. Will be interesting to see how it all hashes out as the dust settles and things further consolidate.. 



 

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jason1637 said:
uran10 said:

Obama giving the election to trump on a silver platter

Biden can beat Trump.

If Bernie leads but doesn't get enough votes at the convention and they choose Biden instead, I can guarantee you that Trump will win, because cheating Bernie out of the election will result in many rather not voting than supporting Biden.

If Biden were to win before the convention, he could do it, but all his gaffes are just ammunition for Trump, so this would get very tough.

DarthMetalliCube said:
Steyer out, Mayo Pete out, Amy out. Wow.. Guess it's all hands on deck for Joe Biden against the Bern. Lord knows the man probably needs all the support he can get! Funny enough how Warren (who probably from 60-70% of her supporters would migrate to Bernie) isn't dropping out though.

Though I guess I'm being hypocritical in a sense as I don't want Tulsi to drop out (even though she inevitably will). I think at this point she's just staying in as a giant screw you to the establishment which I appreciate (and it's not like she's holding back many votes for Bern as she doesn't have much support anyway), whereas Warren seems to be geniunly hanging around to split the Bernie vote.

Steyers votes will go mostly to Bernie as far as I know, and a good chunk of Pete's votes do so, too. Don't know about Klobuchar, but I suspect Warren will win here

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I'm sure Warren is super thrilled about the prospect of endorsing Sanders after his bros calling her a snake and threatening to primary her.

She doesn't owe Sanders shit. He doesn't own the progressive movement.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
I'm sure Warren is super thrilled about the prospect of endorsing Sanders after his bros calling her a snake and threatening to primary her.

She doesn't owe Sanders shit. He doesn't own the progressive movement.

I get back to my original assumption: Warren and Sanders probably have an alliance and plan to pool their delegates. At this point this might result in screwing Biden out of the nomination.



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