I really can't with this thread anymore. I guess it's good that there's a lot of discussion happening, but man, it's gotten nasty in here. I did learn that me and morenoingrato have a lot more in common than I thought, so that's nice.

I hope Bloomberg tanks horribly and does little more than to drag down Biden a few pegs.

You know, with the bottomless pit of candidates we're dealing with, I can't help but think back to before the 2016 election when Nate Silver had an article that was basically a chat with his staff as he regularly does, and the subject of "what would happen to the Democrats if they actually lost to Trump" came up. Nate Silver referred to a theoretical Clinton defeat as an effective beheading of the Democratic power structure and said it would be "Lord of the Flies" in 2020. I knew it would be bad, but damn, I couldn't have imagined it would be going-into-Iowa-with-over-a-dozen-candidates-on-the-ballot bad. Lord of the Flies indeed.

Bloomberg honestly isn't that bad. Hope he makes one of the future debates.

I honestly start myself to ask: What if Sanders might win the nomination? What will happen? Many were accusing Sanders in 2016, he was damaging Clinton, although he was endorsing her after she had won. But will the establishment really rally behind Sanders if he wins? I certainly have difficulties to imagining this. I guess we might see, if he indeed win the nomination.

I'm honestly fine with Bloomberg entering because in the end he definitely won't win and it will be an embarrassing lose for the corporatists in our party and also he'll only steal votes away from Sanders' opposition. A win-win for a Sanders supporter lol

I would like to see him an a debate stage with Sanders, Warren and also Steyer, the other multi-billionaire, that'd get spicy.

I think they'd be under A LOT of pressure to do so, enough for them to actually endorse him or risk outing themselves as "Republican-lite" or an "asset to 45"

Hell, and this is just wishful thinking, but maybe we'll see an actual major third party emerge if that would happen. As I don't believe this two-party system we have here is working.

Exactly my thoughts on the matter, too

Bloomberg will mostly steal Biden and Buttigieg voters, which means that the more progressive candidates like Sanders will get closer to him again. Which could get devastating for Biden in the early states, as Sanders, Warren and Buttigieg are getting in front of him there, which could loose him a lot of momentum going forward. He's even risking tumbling below 15% in Iowa, which would mean no delegates for him in that state. So much for "electability" then, I would say...

For that you would need to kill winner takes all in all, or at least most of the states, which I doubt will happen anytime soon. But that would make voting for the smaller parties not a waste of your vote anymore, and they'll get a shot representation in the house and possibly the senate, too.

Even if they wouldn't become big parties yet, they could end the deadlock and force the democrats and republicans to compromise with them to get a majority in house and/or senate.

Here's the thing tho @Mnementh If Bernie won the nomination, the "vote blue no matter who" crowd and the regular folks, would definitely just vote blue. They would vote team blue aka Bernie. This is why its so hard for 3rd parties to get any ground cause some people are squarely on team red and some are on team blue. The Leaders of the dem party however, and the media I doubt would follow. And because I have no faith in this country or this system or do I think that the deep state would even let Bernie win, they'd probably rig the general, and if they didn't do that they'd go ahead and "get rid of him" later on. In other words, I'm 100% sure that the establishment would rather have Trump than Bernie and we've seen some day show host (Morning Joe) say that if Bernie was the nominee he'd be voting trump. His co-host kinda had to shut him up but that's exactly what you'll see with Corporate media. I think that a Bernie shock to the system will cause a lot of people to rethink their stance on Corporate Media cause they'll be floundering and on top of that, I wouldn't be shocked if we saw some people decide to run third party who were screaming "UNITE BEHIND THE DEM NOMINEE". Yes, I'm cynical but that's what I see. I don't want to say it but Bernie winning the nomination does a lot, bernie winning the presidential race would be monumental and I think they'd try to get rid of him if they saw it going in that direction. As Bad as this may sound, the only person who scares the establishment more than Bernie is Tulsi so if he chose her as his VP there's a legit chance that they might just take the L than risk a Tulsi with Presidential power.

On the 2 party system, there's a reason money out of politics / election reform is my top issue. The easiest way to allow for the rise of new parties in this country is for voting system to change to that of Ranked Choice Voting and at the same time having all elections be publicly funded. That would be the end of the oligarchy which is another reason why it wont happen.

MSNBC is ignoring Bernie Sanders in it's coverage, and if they cover him it is more often negatively:

http://inthesetimes.com/features/msnbc-bernie-sanders-coverage-democratic-primary-media-analysis.html

They also took a look at the last debate in regard of coverage: http://inthesetimes.com/article/22180/msnbc-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-democratic-debate-2020

Good day ladies, gents and everyone in between and outside the gender binary! Another day, another poll! Sorry Uran I know how much you don't like polls :p

Morning Consult just released their new poll, interviewing 8,102 registered voters from Nov. 21st to the 24th, here's how it stacks up from their previous pre-debate polling:

1. Biden at 30% (-2% change from last poll)

2. Sanders at 21% (+1%)

3. Warren at 15% (-2%)

4. Buttigieg at 9% (+1%)

5. Harris at 5% (No change)

6. Yang at 4% (+1%)

Bloomberg/Gabbard/Klobuchar/Booker/Steyer at 2%

Now on to their early primary states poll. So among the registered voters in Iowa, NH, NV, and SC here's how the candidates fare:

1. Biden at 26% (-3% change from last poll)

2. Sanders at 23% (+5%)

3. Warren at 18% (+1%)

4. Steyer at 9% (+1%)

5. Buttigieg at 8% (-2%)

6. Yang at 4% (+2%)

Harris(-2%)/Bloomberg(-1%)/Klobuchar(no change) all at 2%

Here's the link.

An interesting thing to note is that although Warren still has very strong support as far as second choices go, Sanders is now giving her a lot more competition in that area. It seems Buttigieg supporters do not like Sanders at all and vice versa.