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Tulsi shouldn't drop out cause some dumbass endorsed here. Duke endorsement doesn't mean anything for Democratic voters.



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uran10 said:
tsogud said:

It's not just this endorsement and putting aside the fact that I don't really agree with her stances on some major issues but it's just that she ain't gonna win the nomination. I think everybody besides Buttigieg, Harris, Sanders, Warren, Biden and maybe O'Rourke and Yang should just drop out rn. If you're polling a 2% or lower still there's just realistically no point to continuing.

Allow me to respectfully disagree. I don't put much stock in polls so that's part of where my disagreement comes from, but i think Tulsi's message needs to be heard and I'm very sceptical about her being that low in the polls with how hard mainstream media goes after her. I'm pretty sure internal polling is showing something else entirely but that's besides my point.

I will say however you're wrong on who should drop out entirely. Harris can go, she's done and she's slipping. She's out. Beto is done as well. Pete is trying to catch Biden's falling support cause Biden is clearly on his way out, its really not looking good for him since he's bleeding money. Tulsi's message is needed so she stays, everyone else that you said should drop out tho, they can go.

Tulsi is by far the best on foreign policy out of anyone in the race. Keep in mind that everyone in the race is pretty bad on it, even the better ones. Her message is one that everyone needs to hear and she's gonna be pulling everyone left on it. I mean, we had her argument with pete where I see people believing Pete because he came off as aggressive when if you really listened he was saying "he's not for endless war by being for endless war". Funny I know. 

Also I went to the bernie rally, It was so good, Nina Turner is such a blessing and I love how no filter she is. I'm inspired all over again. Bernie's gonna win which means we're gonna win!

I'm not going by personal preference. I prefer everybody except Warren and Sanders to drop out but that's not realistic. Tulsi is averaging about 1.2% support in the real clear politics average, she's not going to win and staying in the race will ruin her image due to mainstream media's constant smears. It's best if she drops out endorses a candidate and push her message that way. She's not really gaining ground with the Democratic electorate so debates and the pr she gets from staying in the race are useless.



 

DarthMetalliCube said:
tsogud said:

It's not just this endorsement and putting aside the fact that I don't really agree with her stances on some major issues but it's just that she ain't gonna win the nomination. I think everybody besides Buttigieg, Harris, Sanders, Warren, Biden and maybe O'Rourke and Yang should just drop out rn. If you're polling a 2% or lower still there's just realistically no point to continuing.

I mean let's be honest, I know she's like 99% not going to win ha, but regardless, that doesn't mean she should just give up. If the only the candidates with a legitimate shot carried on from this point that would basically only leave Biden, Warren, Sanders anyway. 

You never know what could transpire, we still have a whole year, and Tulsi fill a niche that most of the other candidates don't - she's got the somewhat libertarian angle along with essentially being the only anti-war/intervention candidate. A lot can change in a year, especially given her unique appeal. I don't think Bernie was anywhere as popular as he was in October 2015, but a year later he was suddenly leading a populist movement in the Dems and wen toe-to-toe with Clinton. 

There's also the bigger picture factor that she's gaining experience and recognition for either a future run, or possible for a spot as VP/Secretary of state, etc..

Kind of a false equivalence with Sanders don't you think? We only really had two candidates last time, this time the field is much larger and it will be that much tougher for Tulsi to run away with the nomination for someone who's averaging a 1.2% support as of now.



 

tsogud said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

So Tulsi should just pack it in based on one asshat white supremacist endorsing her for some obscure reason (which she has zero control over, and which she made it abundantly clear she denounced several months ago)? Yep just give it all up Tulsi! Screw fighting for an end to our endless regime change wars. Screw fighting the corporate establishment and trying to beat Trump.

David Duke endorsed her so game over! Let's just hand the reigns over to corporatism Neolib centrists or keep the reality show host in office! Let's just keep the wheels turning, business as usual! 

Really?

Wow.. if that's really all it took, nothing would ever change in this country!

It's not just this endorsement and putting aside the fact that I don't really agree with her stances on some major issues but it's just that she ain't gonna win the nomination. I think everybody besides Buttigieg, Harris, Sanders, Warren, Biden and maybe O'Rourke and Yang should just drop out rn. If you're polling a 2% or lower still there's just realistically no point to continuing.

There are a lot of reasons to run, winning the nomination isn't the only one. In basic it provides a lot of attention. And this can be quite useful. So running in this race might be used to:

  • get attention to then use it for another political race (Hickenlooper for Senate)
  • use it to write a book to make money
  • spread an idea or political stance with stronger attention (this might be the reason for Yang, Gabbard, Williamson and Inslee)

As long as they can get the attention it still is worthy for them to stay in the race.



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(ok taking a long break from the Tulsi love fest that I'm sure many here are fed up with lol, but just one more thing..)

Her tweet calling out Hillary's baseless smears now has almost 300k likes on twitter. Only the biggest Dem politicians with the most popular messages are around that level and even Trump hasn't touched that level I don't think (with the exception being that Nickelback meme regarding Biden's Ukraine scandal and his tweet in support of the US rapper being imprisoned in Sweden or something..) Her followers have also shot up close to 100k since that statement, from around just over 600k to nearly 700k.

Like I said, that Hillary smear couldn't have been a better advertisement for Tulsi in terms of support or exposure. Best thing to happen to her campaign thus far XD.



 

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Hmm, I didn't see that before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph_7hN_1fKM

And Van Jones is right. Hillary Clinton is the one damaging the democratic party. And for what? About a candidate who will probably drop out anyway soon enough, as she isn't polling very high. Still there is the need for the baseless smears. Maybe he is right that the 2016 events of Gabbard resigning from DNC to endorse Bernie Sanders still sting.



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Zuckerberg and his wife recommended some hires to the Buttigieg campaign early this year and the campaign ended up hiring 2 of the people recommended.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-21/zuckerberg-offered-advice-in-hiring-to-buttigieg-in-rare-move



jason1637 said:
Zuckerberg and his wife recommended some hires to the Buttigieg campaign early this year and the campaign ended up hiring 2 of the people recommended.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-21/zuckerberg-offered-advice-in-hiring-to-buttigieg-in-rare-move

This is extremely dangerous. Buttigieg who is continuing to blast Warren over various issues, is now revealed to be taking advice from Zuckerberg...The very man Warren has been quarreling with as she tries to break up big tech companies and their influence in politics. 

Buttigieg has continuously lowered himself on my preferred candidates, but this is even more damning truthfully. I do not trust him, nor do I trust his moderate status quo policies. Cozying up with a tech giant like Zuckerberg, who allows any ads to be put onto his website, as long as they pay, is dangerous. 



NintendoCM said:
jason1637 said:
Zuckerberg and his wife recommended some hires to the Buttigieg campaign early this year and the campaign ended up hiring 2 of the people recommended.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-21/zuckerberg-offered-advice-in-hiring-to-buttigieg-in-rare-move

This is extremely dangerous. Buttigieg who is continuing to blast Warren over various issues, is now revealed to be taking advice from Zuckerberg...The very man Warren has been quarreling with as she tries to break up big tech companies and their influence in politics. 

Buttigieg has continuously lowered himself on my preferred candidates, but this is even more damning truthfully. I do not trust him, nor do I trust his moderate status quo policies. Cozying up with a tech giant like Zuckerberg, who allows any ads to be put onto his website, as long as they pay, is dangerous. 

That's concerning. I honestly trust Warren over Buttigieg, at least she seems to want to keep some form of transparency and wants to keep Big Tech accountable with the regulation of speech and information.

He definitely seems like a fairly typical establishment moderate, especially when it comes to health care, foreign policy, and loan forgiveness (or lack thereof). I lost any sliver of interest I had in him when he was seemingly pressured out of merely appearing for a casual conversation/interview on Classical liberal Dave Rubin's online show.



 

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