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Matt Taibbi of the Rolling Stone has also some words about Clintons conspiracy theory: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/clinton-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-901593/

And everyone thinking I have an anti-Clinton bias: you're right. I think Clinton is the reason Trump won in 2016. And instead of accepting her errors she blames her loss on some crazy conspiracy theories. Trump has pushed a lot of 'alternative facts', but in regards to these conspiracy theories Clinton is not far away. The problem is, that she is still very influential to the democratic party and this shit clearly damages the party and the new candidates.



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Mnementh said:

Matt Taibbi of the Rolling Stone has also some words about Clintons conspiracy theory: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/clinton-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-901593/

And everyone thinking I have an anti-Clinton bias: you're right. I think Clinton is the reason Trump won in 2016. And instead of accepting her errors she blames her loss on some crazy conspiracy theories. Trump has pushed a lot of 'alternative facts', but in regards to these conspiracy theories Clinton is not far away. The problem is, that she is still very influential to the democratic party and this shit clearly damages the party and the new candidates.

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uran10 said:
Mnementh said:

Matt Taibbi of the Rolling Stone has also some words about Clintons conspiracy theory: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/clinton-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-901593/

And everyone thinking I have an anti-Clinton bias: you're right. I think Clinton is the reason Trump won in 2016. And instead of accepting her errors she blames her loss on some crazy conspiracy theories. Trump has pushed a lot of 'alternative facts', but in regards to these conspiracy theories Clinton is not far away. The problem is, that she is still very influential to the democratic party and this shit clearly damages the party and the new candidates.

Want some bad news?

I would actually be fine with her running, because it would become clear that people aren't too much into her as a candidate, as long as there are a lot of alternatives. 2016 only Sanders and O'Malley stayed in the race until Iowa as competitors. Sanders back then was pretty unknown and didn't even think himself initially to have a chance, but got a strong result on account of simply not being Hillary Clinton. This time the field has much more and much better alternatives, so I am pretty certain a Clinton candidacy would flop.



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Mnementh said:
tsogud said:

It's not just this endorsement and putting aside the fact that I don't really agree with her stances on some major issues but it's just that she ain't gonna win the nomination. I think everybody besides Buttigieg, Harris, Sanders, Warren, Biden and maybe O'Rourke and Yang should just drop out rn. If you're polling a 2% or lower still there's just realistically no point to continuing.

There are a lot of reasons to run, winning the nomination isn't the only one. In basic it provides a lot of attention. And this can be quite useful. So running in this race might be used to:

  • get attention to then use it for another political race (Hickenlooper for Senate)
  • use it to write a book to make money
  • spread an idea or political stance with stronger attention (this might be the reason for Yang, Gabbard, Williamson and Inslee)

As long as they can get the attention it still is worthy for them to stay in the race.

Yes, I understand the various reasons, that's nothing new to me. It's just in Tulsi's case it seems like a net negative for her.



 

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Jumpin said:

Do the House seats only get elected in the midterms?

House seats is every 2 years. That includes Presidential years.

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tsogud said:
Mnementh said:

There are a lot of reasons to run, winning the nomination isn't the only one. In basic it provides a lot of attention. And this can be quite useful. So running in this race might be used to:

  • get attention to then use it for another political race (Hickenlooper for Senate)
  • use it to write a book to make money
  • spread an idea or political stance with stronger attention (this might be the reason for Yang, Gabbard, Williamson and Inslee)

As long as they can get the attention it still is worthy for them to stay in the race.

Yes, I understand the various reasons, that's nothing new to me. It's just in Tulsi's case it seems like a net negative for her.

Its easy when it comes to Tulsi. She's not doing it to benefit herself, she's doing it to bring attention to the regime change wars we've waged and on ending the wars. On foreign policy she's easily the furthest left and her entire thing is dragging the party left on foreign policy. She's not an isolationist btw, she's just anti-interventions and for diplomacy first. On top of that she's in for exposing the corruption in the dem party and the entire system when it comes to going against the MIC. Honestly, she's clearly trying to win to force this push and while I like her, I don't think she's the best choice for president right now.



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Mnementh said:

Matt Taibbi of the Rolling Stone has also some words about Clintons conspiracy theory: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/clinton-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-901593/

And everyone thinking I have an anti-Clinton bias: you're right. I think Clinton is the reason Trump won in 2016. And instead of accepting her errors she blames her loss on some crazy conspiracy theories. Trump has pushed a lot of 'alternative facts', but in regards to these conspiracy theories Clinton is not far away. The problem is, that she is still very influential to the democratic party and this shit clearly damages the party and the new candidates.

What did she do, then?

As an outsider from the US, I'm not subject to your propaganda umbrella. The reason the Democrats lost was all the Bernie or Bust campaign. This was a group of 26% of Bernie Sanders supporters who not only didn't vote Democratic, but about half of whom actually voted for Trump. Then there was the massive anti-Democratic Party campaign from the Bernie or Bust people, the ultimate useful idiocy.



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Jumpin said:
Mnementh said:

Matt Taibbi of the Rolling Stone has also some words about Clintons conspiracy theory: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/clinton-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-901593/

And everyone thinking I have an anti-Clinton bias: you're right. I think Clinton is the reason Trump won in 2016. And instead of accepting her errors she blames her loss on some crazy conspiracy theories. Trump has pushed a lot of 'alternative facts', but in regards to these conspiracy theories Clinton is not far away. The problem is, that she is still very influential to the democratic party and this shit clearly damages the party and the new candidates.

What did she do, then?

As an outsider from the US, I'm not subject to your propaganda umbrella. The reason the Democrats lost was all the Bernie or Bust campaign. This was a group of 26% of Bernie Sanders supporters who not only didn't vote Democratic, but about half of whom actually voted for Trump. Then there was the massive anti-Democratic Party campaign from the Bernie or Bust people, the ultimate useful idiocy.

Oh, watch out. You're walking into extremely dangerous territory in this thread.



Jumpin said:
Mnementh said:

Matt Taibbi of the Rolling Stone has also some words about Clintons conspiracy theory: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/clinton-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-901593/

And everyone thinking I have an anti-Clinton bias: you're right. I think Clinton is the reason Trump won in 2016. And instead of accepting her errors she blames her loss on some crazy conspiracy theories. Trump has pushed a lot of 'alternative facts', but in regards to these conspiracy theories Clinton is not far away. The problem is, that she is still very influential to the democratic party and this shit clearly damages the party and the new candidates.

What did she do, then?

As an outsider from the US, I'm not subject to your propaganda umbrella. The reason the Democrats lost was all the Bernie or Bust campaign. This was a group of 26% of Bernie Sanders supporters who not only didn't vote Democratic, but about half of whom actually voted for Trump. Then there was the massive anti-Democratic Party campaign from the Bernie or Bust people, the ultimate useful idiocy.

This 26% number seems interestingly concrete. Any source for that?

EDIT: And to the 'What did she do'-part: I just wrote it… she spouted some completely unfounded crazy conspiracy theory tailored to divide the supporters of the democratic party and rile them up against some people. That is extremely damaging and therefore helping Trump.

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And theres a pretty good thing for Warren:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-2020-candidates-have-something-in-common-their-supporters-also-like-warren/



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