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PAOerfulone said:
DonFerrari said:

PS3 never got cheaper than X360 and took much much much longer to have price on a comfortable level than X1.

Sure you can say they did a good turn around on Xbox, but to pretend that achieving 50M because of the reveal can't be lowered by another fuck up that almost helped Sony go bankrupt then you are on the wrong. Even more when the biggest problem of Xbox 1 have been lack of 1st party and they took 5 years to use a solution of 5 min (hyperbolic)

The topic wasn't which company was left in worse shape or was in worse shape, it's which reveal was worse. In which case, if you think that just $599 and a lack of games was a worse reveal than $499, lack of games, and a whole laundry list of anti-consumer practices such as DRM policies, Used Game policies, Required Internet Connection, overemphasis on TV, apps, and various entertainment forms other than... y'know, video games. If you think the former reveal was worse than the latter reveal. I'm sorry, but you're the one who's in the wrong.

The lack of 1st party is definitely an issue with Microsoft and it took them longer than it should have to address it. In that regard, we all agree. However, you can't just overlook how that horrible first reveal severely and negatively impacted them. That was the deciding factor for the vast majority of gamers to jump back to PlayStation after they went from the PS2 to the 360 in the last generation. Even after they reversed those policies, the damage to their brand and image was done and they still haven't fully recovered from it. If Microsoft had an actual good reveal, (No DRM, no used games policies, no always online requirement, and actual focus and emphasis on games, and no Kinect 2 requirement), the Xbox One would have launched at a cheaper price than the PS4 at $349 with a far more favorable public opinion. As a result, it would have sold significantly better in its first year and the PS4 considerably worse, and that would be the trend now. I still think Sony would be the leader and winner of this gen, because the momentum was on their side towards the end of last gen. But instead of Sony nearing 90 million and Microsoft just passing 40; Sony would be around 75 million, while Microsoft is closer to 60. Instead of selling 7-9 million Xbox One systems a year, Microsoft would be selling around 11-13 million, and instead of 17-20 million PS4s a year, Sony would be selling around 14-17 million.
That reveal took this generation from slightly in Sony's favor to Sony wins before the race even started.

Plus, with the exception of 2006 (launch year) and 2008, the PS3 outsold the 360 every other year during its life cycles. So, hindsight being 20-20, the PS3's reveal didn't really have that much of a negative impact in the grand scheme of things.

Half of the bad things on the reveal of X1 was solved before it launched, so to credit it for they losing half the sales on a 5 year time is ludicrous.

PS4 sold on first year about 15M so much less than 160 total of PS2, so nope, we didn't have everyone immediatelly jumping ship.

Aligned PS3 outsold X360 every year as far as I remember. Considering PS3 sold half of PS2 the reveal and time took to reach market price hurt PS3 a lot. And considering The most relevant markets for X360 (USA and UK) it was actually ahead of X360 for like 3 years the reveal had little impact, they lost WW and that would happen no matter what, because PS4 was going to do great.



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DonFerrari said:
PAOerfulone said:

The topic wasn't which company was left in worse shape or was in worse shape, it's which reveal was worse. In which case, if you think that just $599 and a lack of games was a worse reveal than $499, lack of games, and a whole laundry list of anti-consumer practices such as DRM policies, Used Game policies, Required Internet Connection, overemphasis on TV, apps, and various entertainment forms other than... y'know, video games. If you think the former reveal was worse than the latter reveal. I'm sorry, but you're the one who's in the wrong.

The lack of 1st party is definitely an issue with Microsoft and it took them longer than it should have to address it. In that regard, we all agree. However, you can't just overlook how that horrible first reveal severely and negatively impacted them. That was the deciding factor for the vast majority of gamers to jump back to PlayStation after they went from the PS2 to the 360 in the last generation. Even after they reversed those policies, the damage to their brand and image was done and they still haven't fully recovered from it. If Microsoft had an actual good reveal, (No DRM, no used games policies, no always online requirement, and actual focus and emphasis on games, and no Kinect 2 requirement), the Xbox One would have launched at a cheaper price than the PS4 at $349 with a far more favorable public opinion. As a result, it would have sold significantly better in its first year and the PS4 considerably worse, and that would be the trend now. I still think Sony would be the leader and winner of this gen, because the momentum was on their side towards the end of last gen. But instead of Sony nearing 90 million and Microsoft just passing 40; Sony would be around 75 million, while Microsoft is closer to 60. Instead of selling 7-9 million Xbox One systems a year, Microsoft would be selling around 11-13 million, and instead of 17-20 million PS4s a year, Sony would be selling around 14-17 million.
That reveal took this generation from slightly in Sony's favor to Sony wins before the race even started.

Plus, with the exception of 2006 (launch year) and 2008, the PS3 outsold the 360 every other year during its life cycles. So, hindsight being 20-20, the PS3's reveal didn't really have that much of a negative impact in the grand scheme of things.

Half of the bad things on the reveal of X1 was solved before it launched, so to credit it for they losing half the sales on a 5 year time is ludicrous.

PS4 sold on first year about 15M so much less than 160 total of PS2, so nope, we didn't have everyone immediatelly jumping ship.

Aligned PS3 outsold X360 every year as far as I remember. Considering PS3 sold half of PS2 the reveal and time took to reach market price hurt PS3 a lot. And considering The most relevant markets for X360 (USA and UK) it was actually ahead of X360 for like 3 years the reveal had little impact, they lost WW and that would happen no matter what, because PS4 was going to do great.

1) As I already said, the damage was already done. The Xbox brand was brutally tarnished and it has still not fully recovered. From the reveal onwards, even after Microsoft reversed all of their policies, the Xbox One was almost universally viewed as the inferior console to the PS4. It's fate had already been decided.

2) I honestly don't know what you were expecting here? The PS4 to sell half the PS2's lifetime totals in one year? Of course not everyone is going to jump ship, but everyone could see what this reveal would do in the long term.  Besides, the PS3's peak year, 2011, was ~ 14.5-15 million. So the fact that the PS4 managed to sell those same numbers in its first year, with a more expensive $399 price tag and a significantly weaker library, goes to show that while not everyone jumped on board the train, everyone knew where the train was headed. As of now, the PS4 is on track to sell around 120 million worldwide, minimum. FARRR above the PS3, which it is about to blow right through once Black Friday numbers drop.

3) You lost me here. What are trying to say? That the PS3 was outselling the 360 every year? That's literally what I just said. Because as I stated in an earlier comment, PlayStation was & is a far bigger, more popular brand and name than Xbox. They were coming off the PS1 and PS2, two massively successful consoles that both sold over 100 million with a legacy and reputation.
That the Xbox One was going to sell less than the PS4 regardless? Again, that's literally what I just said. The difference being it would be much closer and the Xbox One would be selling better, the PS4 would be selling worse, and it isn't a bloodbath right from the start.



Congrats! 



The Xbox One X is a fantastic console, bought it 3 weeks ago.

It‘s the strong, silent and small system I was looking for for several years, but way cheaper than comparable small PCs (such as Alienware Alpha R2).

Backwards Compatiblity on Xbox One is unparalled on consoles, currently playing The Witcher 2, next up are RDR 1 and Lost Odyssey, among others.

I hope the One X will be around for a few more years and convince more people. The system deserves to sell another 20 to 40 million.



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PAOerfulone said:
DonFerrari said:

Half of the bad things on the reveal of X1 was solved before it launched, so to credit it for they losing half the sales on a 5 year time is ludicrous.

PS4 sold on first year about 15M so much less than 160 total of PS2, so nope, we didn't have everyone immediatelly jumping ship.

Aligned PS3 outsold X360 every year as far as I remember. Considering PS3 sold half of PS2 the reveal and time took to reach market price hurt PS3 a lot. And considering The most relevant markets for X360 (USA and UK) it was actually ahead of X360 for like 3 years the reveal had little impact, they lost WW and that would happen no matter what, because PS4 was going to do great.

1) As I already said, the damage was already done. The Xbox brand was brutally tarnished and it has still not fully recovered. From the reveal onwards, even after Microsoft reversed all of their policies, the Xbox One was almost universally viewed as the inferior console to the PS4. It's fate had already been decided.

2) I honestly don't know what you were expecting here? The PS4 to sell half the PS2's lifetime totals in one year? Of course not everyone is going to jump ship, but everyone could see what this reveal would do in the long term.  Besides, the PS3's peak year, 2011, was ~ 14.5-15 million. So the fact that the PS4 managed to sell those same numbers in its first year, with a more expensive $399 price tag and a significantly weaker library, goes to show that while not everyone jumped on board the train, everyone knew where the train was headed. As of now, the PS4 is on track to sell around 120 million worldwide, minimum. FARRR above the PS3, which it is about to blow right through once Black Friday numbers drop.

3) You lost me here. What are trying to say? That the PS3 was outselling the 360 every year? That's literally what I just said. Because as I stated in an earlier comment, PlayStation was & is a far bigger, more popular brand and name than Xbox. They were coming off the PS1 and PS2, two massively successful consoles that both sold over 100 million with a legacy and reputation.
That the Xbox One was going to sell less than the PS4 regardless? Again, that's literally what I just said. The difference being it would be much closer and the Xbox One would be selling better, the PS4 would be selling worse, and it isn't a bloodbath right from the start.

1) You shouldn't let forum fool you neither population memory. 5 years later and reveal is still pounding X1 around? Nope. Lack of games made much worse besides outside of USA and UK Xbox is a joke. PS3 was considered inferior to X360 (plus always more expensive) for like 3-4 years before the first parties showed it was stronger.

2) Of course I didn't expect it, but it just show that is silly to assume "they all jumped ship" even more when X1 have more sales than Xbox og.

3) aligned is different than what you were looking at. When you say 2006 or 2008 you are saying how much either sold on that year. Aligned we say year 1 or year 3.

Sorry it wouldn't make much of a difference. Xbox didn't drop that much in USA and UK (for like 3 years it was even ahead of X360), they lost WW, where even if they had made a better showing wouldn't change much or do you have a good explanation for their drop in USA and UK being small compared to RoW (let's not even talk about Japan). Or their image on the reveal on USA didn't affect USA but affected RoW?



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Good sales. It's going at a steady pace.



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Overall, solid numbers. Still not what MS would be hoping for by this time. If they didn't have that terrible reveal/PR in 2013, who knows how this gen would have turned out. Sony likely would have won, but it would've been closer. MS had a hard pill to swallow this gen. At least like they are on the right track going forward.



DonFerrari said:

PS3 had a much worse reveal, price and time to cut down costs... still outsold the competitor that had more time on the market, more games available upfront, lower price and all.

Not even close man. Sony's was like, them lighting the kitchen on fire, but putting it out before it got too out of hand. While MS tried to use oil (Don Mattrick) to put the fire out, but made it worse, and had to call the fire department (Phil Spencer) to put it out. That is probably a terrible analogy, but my point is, MS was worse. 



Good numbers and likely 55+ million lifetime which is great considering the start and the competition. I was a pessimist when this generation started but Sony, MS and Nintendo proved me wrong in that the sales for the generation are quite healthy despite increased competition from PC and mobile.