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smroadkill15 said:
DonFerrari said:

So basically you are agreeing that where Xbox was going to do good it did (USA+UK) regardless of the bad reveal? Now you just need to accept that where it did bad it would have done bad anyway because PS4 was the console to be had.

You can't talk about a turnaround when looking at 2 areas, one have been doing good (and then dropped) which was USA+UK tracking ahead of X360 and the other one was doing bad and kept doing bad (everywhere besides USA+UK). So where did the turnaround came from?

It didn't do good though for MS standards. There were just enough hardcore Xbox fans in the USA to make it not look as bad at launch because they knew about the changes. The casual players who go for the more popular/appealing system went to the ps4. Sales for the X1 are much lower than anything MS was hoping for in the USA and the rest of the world. I need to accept the fact?? I already said the Ps4 would have won the generation regardless, but sales would be a lot closer than it is now. 

I'm just stating, the reveal of the X1 was much worse for Xbox than the reveal of the Ps3, and had a much bigger impact on X1 sales. The head of Xbox (Don) left MS shortly after the reveal. That is proof enough lol. The Ps3 last gen had to go up against the Xbox 360 and Wii. Sales for the Ps3 were not going to reach ps2 numbers regardless of reveal due to those actually being good selling consoles. Ps4 went up against the WiiU and Xbox One. I don't even think I need to say anything lol. 

I'm done talking about this. Nothing will change your opinion, even though everyone else in this thread agrees the X1 reveal was worse/more impactful.  

The presumption that X1 would have done better RoW is the one that is wrong (and also no evidence of turn around).

If someone leaving the head of the product is proof enough, crazy Ken also left the direction of Playstation because of PS3.

And if we are talking about impact PS3 lost about 75M sales compared to PS2, while X1 will lose about 35M going from X360. So who really had the bigger drop? And sorry to remind that Wii didn't really took sales away from PS3 or X360. Just look at PS2+X og - PS360 - PS4X1 and you'll see a somewhat stable figure with the biggest relevant drop being Japan.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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smroadkill15 said:
Overall, solid numbers. Still not what MS would be hoping for by this time. If they didn't have that terrible reveal/PR in 2013, who knows how this gen would have turned out. Sony likely would have won, but it would've been closer. MS had a hard pill to swallow this gen. At least like they are on the right track going forward.

It’s kinda ironic that they’re back to moving towards always online and all digital with no used game sales, just that now people are eating it up and herald it as a good thing. The difference is one thing: This time they still give you a choice.



Errorist76 said: 

It’s kinda ironic that they’re back to moving towards always online and all digital with no used game sales, just that now people are eating it up and herald it as a good thing. The difference is one thing: This time they still give you a choice.

So you mean MS is becoming a Steam service.. doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.

Steams been doing it since 2004. Far from a bad thing.



@DonFerrari the Xbox One tracked ahead of the 360 for three years because three years into the 360's life, Xbox 360 got the Kinect. Whether or not it succeeded as a great peripheral, it really boosted Xbox 360 sales. Unfortunately, the same thing that boosted sales for the 360 years into its life was one of the things that held back the Xbox One from day one. Microsoft banked on lightning striking twice the same way Nintendo did when they released the Wii U. Both learned a harsh lesson.



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d21lewis said:
@DonFerrari the Xbox One tracked ahead of the 360 for three years because three years into the 360's life, Xbox 360 got the Kinect. Whether or not it succeeded as a great peripheral, it really boosted Xbox 360 sales. Unfortunately, the same thing that boosted sales for the 360 years into its life was one of the things that held back the Xbox One from day one. Microsoft banked on lightning striking twice the same way Nintendo did when they released the Wii U. Both learned a harsh lesson.

Keep in mind the 360's numbers are a little skewed as it includes replacement consoles for the whole RROD fiasco.  For that same reason- Microsoft lost a lot of customers into the next generation because of it (myself included).  I for one went through 4-5 360 consoles during that time period.  To this day I haven't bought a new Xbox system- and probably never will again.



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d21lewis said:
@DonFerrari the Xbox One tracked ahead of the 360 for three years because three years into the 360's life, Xbox 360 got the Kinect. Whether or not it succeeded as a great peripheral, it really boosted Xbox 360 sales. Unfortunately, the same thing that boosted sales for the 360 years into its life was one of the things that held back the Xbox One from day one. Microsoft banked on lightning striking twice the same way Nintendo did when they released the Wii U. Both learned a harsh lesson.

On the first 3 years of X360 there was no kinect.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
d21lewis said:
@DonFerrari the Xbox One tracked ahead of the 360 for three years because three years into the 360's life, Xbox 360 got the Kinect. Whether or not it succeeded as a great peripheral, it really boosted Xbox 360 sales. Unfortunately, the same thing that boosted sales for the 360 years into its life was one of the things that held back the Xbox One from day one. Microsoft banked on lightning striking twice the same way Nintendo did when they released the Wii U. Both learned a harsh lesson.

On the first 3 years of X360 there was no kinect.

Which is why Xbox One tracked ahead for three years. 

*Edit* in fact, didn't Xbox One track ahead until this year?



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Zombie9ers said:
d21lewis said:
@DonFerrari the Xbox One tracked ahead of the 360 for three years because three years into the 360's life, Xbox 360 got the Kinect. Whether or not it succeeded as a great peripheral, it really boosted Xbox 360 sales. Unfortunately, the same thing that boosted sales for the 360 years into its life was one of the things that held back the Xbox One from day one. Microsoft banked on lightning striking twice the same way Nintendo did when they released the Wii U. Both learned a harsh lesson.

Keep in mind the 360's numbers are a little skewed as it includes replacement consoles for the whole RROD fiasco.  For that same reason- Microsoft lost a lot of customers into the next generation because of it (myself included).  I for one went through 4-5 360 consoles during that time period.  To this day I haven't bought a new Xbox system- and probably never will again.

I've seen this a lot since that time period but I recall seeing that repairs didn't count as sales. If someone bought a second console to replace a broken one, that would count as a sale, though.



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d21lewis said:
DonFerrari said:

On the first 3 years of X360 there was no kinect.

Which is why Xbox One tracked ahead for three years. 

*Edit* in fact, didn't Xbox One track ahead until this year?

I'm not sure I follow your line of though.

But anyway my point was that on USA and UK X1 tracked ahead of X360 for the longest time and more recently it is falling back (so any problem causing it is more on recent time than on reveal), also outside of USA and UK it done bad at start and worse after. So I really don't see where the turn around really is when talking from sales perspective (because on technical and effort I can see what they done).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
d21lewis said:

Which is why Xbox One tracked ahead for three years. 

*Edit* in fact, didn't Xbox One track ahead until this year?

I'm not sure I follow your line of though.

But anyway my point was that on USA and UK X1 tracked ahead of X360 for the longest time and more recently it is falling back (so any problem causing it is more on recent time than on reveal), also outside of USA and UK it done bad at start and worse after. So I really don't see where the turn around really is when talking from sales perspective (because on technical and effort I can see what they done).

The Xbox 360 really didn't sell well, initially. Coming off of the original Xbox that only sold about 22 million or something like that, vs 150 million plus from the PS2, nobody took the 360 seriously. It was called a "Dreamcast" when Sony showed off amazing tech demos that looked great while the 360 was just showcasing games that looked like higher resolution PS2 games with a game looks Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter every now and then.

 

The first year, the Xbox 360 didn't really sell that well. They wanted to have 10 million consoles sold before the PS3 launched but that didn't happen. I think they sold under 6 million. There was never any doubt that the PS3 would over take the 360. There's even a popular thread here on this site where nobody expected the 360 to ever sell 40 million (or whatever the number was).

The thing is, after the PS3 press conference, the 360 was able to hold off the PS3 for about 8 years. Mostly due to the one year headstart. If you put the PS3's first year of sales up against the Xbox 360's first year of sales, the PS3 sold more from day one. Same for the second year. Same for the third. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 side by side every year except the year that the Xbox 360 released the Kinect (2010). 

So in 2005, the Xbox 360 started off with decent sales and in 2010, it had really good sales. In 2006, the PS3 started off with Good sales and maintained good sales.

 

The PS4 started off with GREAT sales and never looked back. The Xbox One started off with GREAT sales and just dropped to good.

 

So, when you look at 2005 (the first year) for the Xbox 360 vs 2013 for the Xbox One (the first year), the Xbox One looks better because it started off selling better. It wasn't until the Xbox 360 got Kinect that it had a bit of a sales explosion. The XBO never had that sales explosion.

 

Hopefully I wasn't too wordy. I'm at work and I have to go . I'll check back later



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