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Snoopy said:
Bernie won't win because like most grown-ups over the age of 22, they realize socialism doesn't work.

So, Norway, Sweden and Denmark are all failed states?



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Mnementh said:
Snoopy said:
Bernie won't win because like most grown-ups over the age of 22, they realize socialism doesn't work.

So, Norway, Sweden and Denmark are all failed states?

We are successful states because of capitalism and private ownership



Mnementh said:
Snoopy said:
Bernie won't win because like most grown-ups over the age of 22, they realize socialism doesn't work.

So, Norway, Sweden and Denmark are all failed states?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urud-4y_zGM.

https://www.creators.com/read/ben-shapiro/07/18/what-is-democratic-socialism

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/#76abcb4174ad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY27TBAFqBE

 

Nordic countries aren't socialists. They practice free markets but pay higher taxes for government entitlements. Right now they are paying higher taxes and they are moving politically right because it turns out people don't want to pay high taxes. It isn't sustainable in the long run and people want to keep what they earn. Not to mention we pay for their defense which I wish we weren't since Nordic countries don't really contribute anything back imo.

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melbye said:
Mnementh said:

So, Norway, Sweden and Denmark are all failed states?

We are successful states because of capitalism and private ownership

And Sanders tries to copy that, although he labels it socialism. Whatever.



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Snoopy said:
Mnementh said:

So, Norway, Sweden and Denmark are all failed states?

Nordic countries aren't socialists. They practice free markets but pay higher taxes for government entitlements. Right now they are paying higher taxes and they are moving politically right because it turns out people don't want to pay high taxes. It isn't sustainable in the long run and people want to keep what they earn. Not to mention we pay for their defense which I wish we weren't since Nordic countries don't really contribute anything back imo.

Bold: As a Dane, that's hilarious to read. I can assure you, things are pretty good in Denmark to say the least.

Yes, we pay high taxes in order to have a more equal society. Still, you can easily be succesfull and make a lot of money.



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hmmm what Bernie Sanders wants to do sounds good but does not seem realistic,less taxes and higher costs for company's but also wanting employement growth on top of that.



Snoopy said:
Mnementh said:

So, Norway, Sweden and Denmark are all failed states?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urud-4y_zGM.

https://www.creators.com/read/ben-shapiro/07/18/what-is-democratic-socialism

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/#76abcb4174ad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY27TBAFqBE

 

Nordic countries aren't socialists. They practice free markets but pay higher taxes for government entitlements. Right now they are paying higher taxes and they are moving politically right because it turns out people don't want to pay high taxes. It isn't sustainable in the long run and people want to keep what they earn. Not to mention we pay for their defense which I wish we weren't since Nordic countries don't really contribute anything back imo.

You're absolute right, Nordic countries are not Socialist, but what they are is a very similar form to Democratic Socialism; which uses aspects from BOTH Capitalism and Socialism. Also known as the exact policies that Bernie runs on. Every single aspect of Bernie's campaign where someone says "how will we pay for it" flourishes in these Eastern European countries. It isn't a matter of being radical, it's that politics in the United States are so flung to the right he seems like a full on Socialist. We can have our disagreements and I respect your opinion but Bernie's plans are feasible if we simply address the income inequality and wealth inequality in our country. I'm not saying he's the perfect candidate in any way, but he genuinely cares about the American people which is more than I can personally say for our current president. 



Beto and Bernie are the 2 obvious choices.

I pretty much expect Bernie with Tulsi Gabbard as his Running Mate, since both have very similar positions and she helped him already in 2016. And AOC as Tulsi's running mate in 2028 (or in 2024, if Bernies advanced age should the better of him)

Beto would be a good choice too, but here I don't know who to choose as his running mate. Castro would suggest provincialism since both hail from Texas, but maybe Harris, Gillibrand or Booker would do well

Joe Biden is the man from the establishment. While he certainly could get many votes, he wouldn't represent the more progressive voices which are getting stronger and stronger. Jay Inslee might be a good running mate, though the latter sure has his own chances at the office right now.

The final two whom I see a real chance yet are Kamala Harris and Cory Booker. Would actually make a decent battle couple, the question would be who of the two would be President and who would be the vice president.

But Bernie/Tulsi would be my dream couple for the 2020 election

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Also, while I don't think he'd be a very good candidate, I seriously want Andrew Yang to make it to the debates as he has a real and important message which should be heard by a broader public:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra56e0HKAiU

Tulsi Gabbard is one intelligent, calm level-headed woman who doesn't let herself get provoked and rather counters with facts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlyRQaHoGig

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No's/Probably not's:
Kamala Harris - Seems like a Hillary Clinton lite, just another cog in the Neolib corporate machine, the fact that she seems to be the establishment and MSM's darling is a worrying sign for me.
Biden - More Obama? No thanks. And another old, establishment Dem Candidate. Snore...
Booker - Don't know much about him, but seems a bit douchey to me
Beto - No little about him too, but I think he's more on the etablishment/neolib side of things too, is he not? Maybe I'll look more into him.
Warren - Kind of found her appealing initially as she seemed anti-Wallstreet and Bernie-esque, but seemed to succumb to the typical identity politics, constant Trump bashing brand of the Dems, not my cup of tea. Plus the fact that she mostly lied about her Indian heritage rubbed me the wrong way.

Maybes:
Bernie - Don't like how he bascially sold out to the Clinton machine in '16 and went out with a whimper after getting screwed over by the super delegates and DNC collusion. Also he's really getting up there in age, and perhaps maybe a little TOO far left for my current tastes.
AOC - Again, somewhat extreme, but I do like that she is largely separate from the corporate Neolib machine. Though she's looking a bit crazier to me than when I initially followed her, and she's also succumbing to the typical "poor me, vote for me b/c I'm a woman!" identity politic bs, which I find extrememly repellent. Though she's currently too young to run anyway, so I guess this counts as a theoretical '28 run..

As of now Tulsi's the only candidate I think I'd really put a definite vote towards on the Democrat side. Though if she ran with Bernie on the ticket (either as prez OR VP, I'd very likely vote for Bern too).



 

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