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Mar1217 said:
Kerotan said:
I've noticed that too. Then you have games like zelda which are heavily downgraded from the initial reveal and it gets no such shit show.

Starting a console war pretty much ?

Also, nah, the first trailer was not in-game engine at all.

The Game Awards footage was the first gameplay reveal they've done and it got signifiantly upgraded upon it's release on Switch.

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Just stating facts. But didn't they claim it was in game after the reveal?



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PwerlvlAmy said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I would agree with this all the way.  All of the big companies are guilty of this.

However Sony kind of asks for criticism.  It tries to distinguish itself from Nintendo especially by saying how much better the graphics are in the Sony games.  I personally think the graphical difference between Sony in Nintendo is minor, and at the same time I really don't care about these graphical downgrades compared to an E3 presentation.  But a person who is going to nitpick Sony vs. Nintendo graphics can also nitpick when their is a downgrade compared to E3.

Well there's nothing wrong with being confident in your own companies ability or games. They're supposed to boast and hype their consoles and games,even what they say isn't true.  That's the nature of marketing, basically they're all glorified car salesmen when you think about it. I don't have a problem with Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo or others boast about themselves/or their games really.

Effective Marketing = Honest Marketing

A sure way to piss off customers is to lie to them, especially if it is your product's main selling point.  In fact the companies can get away with BS easier when it isn't the main selling point of the product.  But when it comes to the main selling point, honesty is hugely important, even when it comes to cars.  

"My Prius isn't very powerful."  Not really a huge complaint, because people don't buy a Prius for power.

"My Prius only gets 35mpg when they advertised 45mpg."  That is a huge complaint.  In fact 35mpg would be great for a lot of cars, but if someone expects 45mpg on their Prius, then they will be really pissed if they only get 35mpg.  This is the sort of thing that can ruin a company.

Graphics is supposed to be one of Sony's main selling points.  When they lie on graphics, customers get pissed.  And I agree they are definitely not the only offender.  Lots of companies do this, but graphics is supposed to be hugely important for Sony, so they are going to get criticized more when they downgrade their graphics.

Masked_Muchaco said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I would agree with this all the way.  All of the big companies are guilty of this.

However Sony kind of asks for criticism.  It tries to distinguish itself from Nintendo especially by saying how much better the graphics are in the Sony games.  I personally think the graphical difference between Sony in Nintendo is minor, and at the same time I really don't care about these graphical downgrades compared to an E3 presentation.  But a person who is going to nitpick Sony vs. Nintendo graphics can also nitpick when their is a downgrade compared to E3.

When did Sony say their games have better graphics than other games?

Sony advertises their graphics all the frikkin' time.  Here is one example out of many.





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The_Liquid_Laser said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

Well there's nothing wrong with being confident in your own companies ability or games. They're supposed to boast and hype their consoles and games,even what they say isn't true.  That's the nature of marketing, basically they're all glorified car salesmen when you think about it. I don't have a problem with Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo or others boast about themselves/or their games really.

Effective Marketing = Honest Marketing

A sure way to piss off customers is to lie to them, especially if it is your product's main selling point.  In fact the companies can get away with BS easier when it isn't the main selling point of the product.  But when it comes to the main selling point, honesty is hugely important, even when it comes to cars.  

"My Prius isn't very powerful."  Not really a huge complaint, because people don't buy a Prius for power.

"My Prius only gets 35mpg when they advertised 45mpg."  That is a huge complaint.  In fact 35mpg would be great for a lot of cars, but if someone expects 45mpg on their Prius, then they will be really pissed if they only get 35mpg.  This is the sort of thing that can ruin a company.

Graphics is supposed to be one of Sony's main selling points.  When they lie on graphics, customers get pissed.  And I agree they are definitely not the only offender.  Lots of companies do this, but graphics is supposed to be hugely important for Sony, so they are going to get criticized more when they downgrade their graphics.

Masked_Muchaco said:

When did Sony say their games have better graphics than other games?

Sony advertises their graphics all the frikkin' time.  Here is one example out of many.

Saying your console and games have great graphics is very different from saying they have the best graphics, I saw every single PS4 ad they released and none of them said PS4 exclusives have the best graphics. They did market the Pro in the UK as the most powerfull console in the world (which it was at the time), but they dropped that line the moment the XB1X was released.

So I ask you once again, when did Sony say their games have the best graphics?



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Digital Foundry shuts em down all the time anyway and by now Sony's new marketing department Xbox fans/Nintendo fans are just doing their job hyping up Sony exclusives using reverse psychology and from the looks of it, its doing wonders. Uncharted 4 is 10 million+, Horizon Zero Dawn 8 million+, God Of War is going to hit 10 million sometime soon, Spiderman is already smelling like a double digit winner if anything let the Xbox fans do their job cant wait to hear about Days Gone being downgrade trust me Yall that game will need all the help from the Xbox and Nintendo camp its looking to be the big loser of the exclusives at the moment based on what we have seen.



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Eeh, tribalist mentality isn't going to change no matter how 'woke' we pretend to be.

Let the haters hate. I'll be having too much fun throwing my axe or webslinging or taking down robot dinos or whatever to care what others think.

Gameplay over graphics!



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Masked_Muchaco said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Effective Marketing = Honest Marketing

A sure way to piss off customers is to lie to them, especially if it is your product's main selling point.  In fact the companies can get away with BS easier when it isn't the main selling point of the product.  But when it comes to the main selling point, honesty is hugely important, even when it comes to cars.  

"My Prius isn't very powerful."  Not really a huge complaint, because people don't buy a Prius for power.

"My Prius only gets 35mpg when they advertised 45mpg."  That is a huge complaint.  In fact 35mpg would be great for a lot of cars, but if someone expects 45mpg on their Prius, then they will be really pissed if they only get 35mpg.  This is the sort of thing that can ruin a company.

Graphics is supposed to be one of Sony's main selling points.  When they lie on graphics, customers get pissed.  And I agree they are definitely not the only offender.  Lots of companies do this, but graphics is supposed to be hugely important for Sony, so they are going to get criticized more when they downgrade their graphics.

Sony advertises their graphics all the frikkin' time.  Here is one example out of many.

Saying your console and games have great graphics is very different from saying they have the best graphics, I saw every single PS4 ad they released and none of them said PS4 exclusives have the best graphics. They did market the Pro in the UK as the most powerfull console in the world (which it was at the time), but they dropped that line the moment the XB1X was released.

So I ask you once again, when did Sony say their games have the best graphics?

Do you know what subtext is?



its been that way since killzone 2. that was disappointing.

dont trust anything until its actually on the ps4. which is about release time.



 

I just think people should stop putting so much stock into graphics.



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Well God of War and Spider Man, going by the Digital Foundry analysis, were actualy upgraded. Also the whole downgrade stuff is dumb, E3 demos are vertical slices, the final product will be different from it 100% fo the time.

PwerlvlAmy said: 

Because its a factual statement. Sony isn't a saint, they downgraded just as much as every other company. Doesn't mean the games are bad, it just means they're just like everyone else in this regard,no better nor worse.

Except they didnt on God of War and Spidy, the final product had better graphics. Im not sure baout the others. Also Sony is not the one controlling this, the studios are all under the same umbrela but they are independent, there isnt a corporate decision to downgrade or upgrade graphics after E3 demos.

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