Cool? What does this really prove? People buy poorly made entertainment all the time. Hell, look at all the pop, country, and rap music that constantly lights up the charts.

And apparently by many here Nintendo selling a crap ton of units in the Wii days "didn't count" because "casuals" or something.. But sales only matter when it confirms their biases I guess.

The series can go on to sell a gazillion copies for all I care. All I know is I found zero enjoyment in TLJ and that Star Wars simply no longer appeals to me, and lord knows I tried. Really I did. I WANTED to like this movie but I simply don't see it (other than the solid special effects/cinematography). Virtually everything else about it ranged from bland and boring to nearly unwatchable for me.

No-one's claiming The Last Jedi is the greatest movie ever - heck, I enjoyed it, but I'd still only place it roughly in the middle of the pack of all the Star Wars movies released to date - just disputing the idea that it was a massive failure because it grossed very slightly less than some people were predicting it would. The only way that a movie that's made more money than Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, and any MCU entry outside of Black Panther and the three Avengers movies can be considered a "failure" is if Disney are idiots who don't know what reasonable expectations are (which, hey, might very well be true, but I've not seen any solid evidence to confirm it is).

Neither am I claiming that all is right in the Star Wars universe - I just find it odd that people are holding The Last Jedi up as the poster boy for failure when Solo actually was an undeniable failure, and even then it made an amount at the box-office most Hollywood films can only dream of.

This is nonsense.  A bigger opening does not cause a smaller total.

The reason why Episode IV did so well is because no one had ever seen anything like it before.  People went over and over again, because it was a unique experience.  That is why it played for so long.  It's true that movie showings, and all of Hollywood, was going through a shift.  Do you know what movie caused that shift?  Star Wars.  When you adjust for inflation no movie since has done as well domestically.  It was a game changer. 

Empire is truly a great film, but by the time it came out, some of the novelty factor had worn off.  In fact when fans today look at the whole trilogy many see that Empire is the best film.  A New Hope had a bigger take simply because it was first.

A similar thing happened with The Force Awakens.  People had waited over 30 years to see Han, Leia, and Chewy in a film again.  People went to see it over and over, because it all seemed new again.  By the time The Last Jedi came out, some of the novelty had worn off.  It is like A New Hope and Empire all over again.

I'ma just going to wait for infinity war...

Surprised that it has such a decisive lead over Black Panther, considering BP has it beat by 80 million Domestically.

TLJ is punching above its weight in West Korean blu-ray sales, and to wear the crown of this year’s best selling?  Well, that’s just the latest nail in the coffin for any argument that it was a commercial failure.

You know, I bought an 18 x 24 frame yesterday that i was going to use to put my Wind Waker puzzle... But I think I’ll use it for this post instead. I’ll just enlarge the font so it fits and I’ll hang it above my living room TV so whenever my brothers come over to watch Star Wars, that’s the first thing they’ll see before the movie starts!

Don't know if this has been posted before.

A more recent critique on TLJ:

https://youtu.be/f83D18xL7VE

If you ignore the jabs he makes and just listen to his review, he does point out some pretty solid points about TLJ. IMO anyway.

Well, I find it funny at least. :p

So.

How many of you haters are Russian trolls?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/04/after-russian-trolls-tarnished-the-last-jedi-is-it-safe-to-like-star-wars-again

starcraft said: So. How many of you haters are Russian trolls? https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/04/after-russian-trolls-tarnished-the-last-jedi-is-it-safe-to-like-star-wars-again

We're all Russian trolls. :P

Mr.GameCrazy said: starcraft said: So. How many of you haters are Russian trolls? https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/04/after-russian-trolls-tarnished-the-last-jedi-is-it-safe-to-like-star-wars-again We're all Russian trolls. :P

Lol

You laugh, but it begs the question doesn't it! With so many people simply ignoring the facts in their quest to promote irrational hatred of the film!