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thismeintiel said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Disney laughs in money

Oh yea, I'm sure Disney was laughing when TLJ performed worse than the lowest of expectations and led to a sharp decline in merch sales.  Bet they laughed all the way to the bank when they had to take out $100M+ to cover the loses of Solo, the first ever SW flop.

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WolfpackN64 said:
thismeintiel said:

Oh yea, I'm sure Disney was laughing when TLJ performed worse than the lowest of expectations and led to a sharp decline in merch sales.  Bet they laughed all the way to the bank when they had to take out $100M+ to cover the loses of Solo, the first ever SW flop.

Whatever belief helps you sleep at night buddy.

Oh, I sleep fine in this thing we like to call reality.  Not sure why you need to live in this contextless world where TLJ 100% met Disney's expectations, even though by every measure it did not, and the SW franchise is fine, even though it just had its first flop in its 40+ years of being, to sleep well.  But, hey, different strokes.

Faelco said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

 

I'm not saying it's even the main factor in the difference of sales, but The Last Jedi is on Netflix, has been for a long time, and The Force Awakens isn't. 

I wouldn't be surprised if there was indeed a correlation, but an opposite one. TLJ numbers are lower than the previous one and lower than expected, so they had to sell the right to Netflix to get as much money as possible out of it (and pretty early too). They didn't need Netflix' money for TFA apparently. Or since the numbers are bad, the streaming rights are cheaper than TFA, and that's why one is on Netflix and not the other. 

Shh, no.  Don't tell it like it is.  TLJ was a complete success and Disney is in no way trying to get as much cash from it since its sales didn't live up to expectations. 

Interesting to note that on Amazon Prime, to buy TFA is $20 after being out for 2 years.  TLJ? $11 after a few months.  Same for Youtube Movies.  Says all you need to know about its performance.



thismeintiel said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Whatever belief helps you sleep at night buddy.

Oh, I sleep fine in this thing we like to call reality.  Not sure why you need to live in this contextless world where TLJ 100% met Disney's expectations, even though by every measure it did not, and the SW franchise is fine, even though it just had its first flop in its 40+ years of being, to sleep well.  But, hey, different strokes.

How exactly do you know what Disney's expectations for the film were?



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Faelco said:
I love how people always say "Wow, big numbers, it's a big success, you can't say it underperformed!", while completely forgetting to compare the numbers to the previous movies. If the previous movie really sold 6M, then 3M is an underwhelming performance. And I don't understand the "it's already a hit", since BR and DVD sales are a lot stronger closer to the release.

It's like saying "Wow, GTA6 sold 20 millions, it's better than any other recent games, you can't say that it underperformed!", while ignoring that the previous game made 3 or 4 times that (hypothetical scenario, of course).

 

Lawlight said:

Oh, that looks like a sharp drop of home video sales from TFA. And BP will outsell TLJ within the month.

I'm not saying it's even the main factor in the difference of sales, but The Last Jedi is on Netflix, has been for a long time, and The Force Awakens isn't. 

But, The Force Awakens was on Neflix at the same point in it's life as The Last Jedi is now.  All the Disney Star Wars films have been on Netflix at some point.



Mandalore76 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

 

I'm not saying it's even the main factor in the difference of sales, but The Last Jedi is on Netflix, has been for a long time, and The Force Awakens isn't. 

But, The Force Awakens was on Neflix at the same point in it's life as The Last Jedi is now.  All the Disney Star Wars films have been on Netflix at some point.

Not in the U.S.A. Which is what this article is concerned with. 



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I wouldn't pay a fiver for it, let alone 25 euro and I wish I could have gotten a refund for my time wasted in the cinema. Such a waste of time on everyones part. Very few redeeming qualities to it and one of those films that make you go "but...why?' Every ten minutes. Just bad besides for the visuals and sound, even the acting somehow felt worse that TFA. The writers, editors and director did a terrible job and ruined what was being setup in TFA, which was an okay film but left a new adventure open for what seemed like it was going to be a really good trilogy and this movie ruined that potential.



 

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OlfinBedwere said:

How exactly do you know what Disney's expectations for the film were?

That's the thing. Nobody knows. Disney never told anyone how much they expected TLJ to gross (if they did, Google doesn't know about it; I've looked). People who hate the film simply assume that TLJ, a massive financial success at the box office by any objective measure (#10 overall domestically for the 21st century), was a "disappointment" because it didn't gross as much as TFA did (an unrealistic goal, seeing as TFA was by far the highest-grossing film of the past 20 years). And now they look at TLJ's respectable Blu-ray sales (esp. when you take into account the decline in overall physical media spending on home video) and once again go "Well, it was a big drop versus TFA" as if failing to become at least the #5 best-selling Blu-ray ever is evidence of "disappointing sales." Some people just make up whatever arbitrary goalposts they want with no real supporting evidence, and engage in a bunch of special pleading when confronted with with anything that works against their arguments. The first entry in every main SW trilogy besting the second & third ones by a massive margin? "Well, that's different because reasons." Streaming continuing to eat into physical home video sales? "Well, that's different because reasons."



Shadow1980 said:

OlfinBedwere said:

How exactly do you know what Disney's expectations for the film were?

That's the thing. Nobody knows. Disney never told anyone how much they expected TLJ to gross (if they did, Google doesn't know about it; I've looked). People who hate the film simply assume that TLJ, a massive financial success at the box office by any objective measure (#10 overall domestically for the 21st century), was a "disappointment" because it didn't gross as much as TFA did (an unrealistic goal, seeing as TFA was by far the highest-grossing film of the past 20 years). And now they look at TLJ's respectable Blu-ray sales (esp. when you take into account the decline in overall physical media spending on home video) and once again go "Well, it was a big drop versus TFA" as if failing to become at least the #5 best-selling Blu-ray ever is evidence of "disappointing sales." Some people just make up whatever arbitrary goalposts they want with no real supporting evidence, and engage in a bunch of special pleading when confronted with with anything that works against their arguments. The first entry in every main SW trilogy besting the second & third ones by a massive margin? "Well, that's different because reasons." Streaming continuing to eat into physical home video sales? "Well, that's different because reasons."

I'd think a reasonable expectation for The Last Jedi would have been about two-thirds of what The Force Awakens earned at the box-office, seeing how that's what The Empire Strikes Back earned compared to A New Hope, and Attack of the Clones earned compared to The Phantom Menace. And guess what? That's exactly how much money The Last Jedi made!

Heck, even Solo was only as much of a disaster as it was because they basically shot the movie twice. If they'd just released the Lord & Miller cut (assuming it would have earned the same as Howard's version) then it'd have been underwhelming for a Star Wars film, but still mildly profitable.



Star Wars: Episode IV grossed $461 million (unadjusted) domestic
The Empire Strikes back grossed $290 million (unadjusted) domestic

 

That is a massive 37% drop!  The Empire Strikes back was such a disappointing movie!  Fans are outraged at this total pile of shit!  I thought I was watching a cool outer space battle and they totally threw in some family soap opera shit in there!  Just watch, The Empire Strikes back will go down in history as the worst Star Wars ever!  Mark my words!















(btw, I hope you can all tell this was a tongue-in-cheek post.)



OlfinBedwere said:
thismeintiel said:

Oh, I sleep fine in this thing we like to call reality.  Not sure why you need to live in this contextless world where TLJ 100% met Disney's expectations, even though by every measure it did not, and the SW franchise is fine, even though it just had its first flop in its 40+ years of being, to sleep well.  But, hey, different strokes.

How exactly do you know what Disney's expectations for the film were?

Simple.  Common sense.  When industry insiders are claiming that the safe bet for the film is to do ~$1.66B-$1.8B+ WW, you bet your ass that that is exactly what Disney was expecting.  And even after the dismal 68% drop for the 2nd weekend happened, the story was that was just caused by the holiday weekend and the film would still hit $1.6B WW.  It ended up doing $1.33B.  Merch sales took a steep hit.  It underperformed, there is no way to explain it away.

The_Liquid_Laser said:

Star Wars: Episode IV grossed $461 million (unadjusted) domestic
The Empire Strikes back grossed $290 million (unadjusted) domestic

 

That is a massive 37% drop!  The Empire Strikes back was such a disappointing movie!  Fans are outraged at this total pile of shit!  I thought I was watching a cool outer space battle and they totally threw in some family soap opera shit in there!  Just watch, The Empire Strikes back will go down in history as the worst Star Wars ever!  Mark my words!















(btw, I hope you can all tell this was a tongue-in-cheek post.)

Oh man, you got us.  Oh, wait, no you didn't.  When ESB came out the industry was going through a major shift.  ANH was from the cinema world of old.  Where films started slow (ANH only made $8.5M, adjusted, its opening weekend, which would be a flop today), but stayed in theaters for a long ass time (ANH was in theaters for 1 1/2 years its initial run), and then see umpteen rereleases.  In the late 70s/early 80s, this model was dying out and changing to what we have, now.  A model where movies open much larger and only stay in theaters for a few months, making way for further blockbusters.  ESB was released right in the middle of this, so while it benefited from a larger opening than ANH, though still not great by today's standards ($25M, adjusted), it didn't receive an extra 6+ months to pad out its final take.  By the time ROTJ released, the industry was pretty much done with the shift, seeing that it opened with $99.1M (adjusted), a number any lower/mid budgeted blockbuster would still be grateful to hit.

Of course, even with the industry shift, and the fact that the foreign market was much smaller, ESB still made $1.5B+ WW, adjusted.  With no industry shift, and a massively expanded market, what's TLJ's excuse?

Last edited by thismeintiel - on 07 September 2018