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Kerotan said:

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You could say oh Sony should just allow all of us to populate xbox servers for them. Well I'd say MS should in return release their exclusives on psn. They want us to share our bigger player base. They should share their games in return. You're giving people a reason to not own a ps4 with this move so only fair you give people a reason to do the opposite. 

Heh, funny, because Minecraft.



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twintail said:
SuperNova said:

Context is everything here. It wasn't just a generic 'We believe PS4 is best place to play games' promotion, it was an answer to a specific question. And his answer as to why they wont allow cross-play with other consoles was that it would 'compromise the experience', wich is blatantly untrue. In this context (locking accounts into the PS ecosystem, preventing not just cross-play, but any play on other consoles with that account) it comes off as arrogant bs.

And yes, I have a problem with any company that resorts to blatant lies to justify their anti-consumer decisions. Just look at Apples anti-repair bs. Liking a company for their products, like I do both Apple and Sony, does not mean they are immune to me criticizing them when they fuck up. Sony is fucking up with this imo. It's simple, really.

Also, I'm not offended. Not sure were you got that from?

To what question? If its so specific then please quote it with the source for me. Likewise he never said it would compromise anything. 

Besides, his comment wasn't about the locking of account (which is a serious problem that Sony needs to address) but about cross-play. His comment isnt so much arrogant as it is tone deaf. Again, hes not really responsible here and likely has little impact on this decision (considering how strong the PS division is, his lack of experience in the gaming sector, and Sony still operating with semi-autonomous entities) .

Your pretty blunt and hostile use of words gave off that impression pretty clearly. but if thats not the case then my apologies. 

That said, consumer response in terms of actual money spending is what matters here. But Sony arent going to budge on cross-play for the rest of this gen. They will open up for PS5. As for the account thing with Fortnite... who knows what they will do. This existed way back on the console launch on PS4/ X1 and Epic didnt say anything, and ignored ppl on their own forums asking about it. 

'And that's because the best experience is to play on PlayStation, he said. So allowing other people to play would be a compromise' - it's in OP.

In the article linked the quote is: "But actually, we already opened some games as cross-platform with PC and some others, so we decide based on what is the best user experience. That is our way of thinking for cross-platform." - Implying the experience on xbox/switch is inferior to the one on IOS and would be compromising the PS4 experience.

It was a response specifically to fortnight crossplay. To ignore the whole context of the fortnight cross-play situation, wich includes the locking of accounts into the PS eco-system is ignoring the core of the problem. If cross-play was allowed in the first place, there'd be no locked-in accounts, so it is very much related. I'm not happy with Epic on this topic either, but that's not what this thread is about.

Also I was neither being blunt nor hostile during any of my posts in this thread. I don't know where you're getting that from.

 

Anyways, I certainly hope that they won't continue this behaviour into the PS5 launch, wich is my real worry here, as I've written somewhere above.

I'm not sure there's much point in continung this conversation though, you clearly see no troubles with Sonys behaviour or statements in this regard, while I do. Difference of opinion. Lets move on and not dance around in circles.



Aeolus451 said:
😹 I very much like honest companies. Both Nintendo and MS didn't want crossplay with Sony in the previous gen so why should Sony care about it now? MS and Nintendo trying to pull a PR stunt with this crossplay stuff. They only want it so they don't have to compete against the size of Sony's player base.

I keep hearing this trotted out, but no one ever lists a source for it other than "Sony recently said so".  Meanwhile, there was a dev last gen who specifically stated that Nintendo was open to cross-platform play on Wii U, but that it was Sony who wouldn't allow it.  So, what is the source for Nintendo refusing cross-platform play that Sony was asking for?

Nintendo allows cross-play for Pure Chess

Oct 14, 2013  

Knytt Underground developer Ripstone said in an interview with Eurogamer that Nintendo will allow cross-platform play functionality for its upcoming title, Pure Chess

According to Ripstone creative director Phil Gaskell, Nintendo — which has traditionally had a closed platform — agreed to allow cross-platform multiplayer in the chess title, which means someone playing on the Wii U can compete with a player on a different console.

"...They said, 'Yep, no problem. You can have other console players playing against Wii U players. You can have smartphone players play against them. No problem,'" Gaskell told Eurogamer. "We're still talking to Sony about them relaxing their policies

https://www.polygon.com/2013/10/14/4838864/nintendo-allows-cross-play-for-pure-chess-ripstone-says




animegaming said:

Does he know that the PC and Xbox One X exist?

Sony is heading straight back into the mindset they had in 2006 and since we are approaching the ending of this console gen, this is far from a good thing. We've seen how fast consumers opinion on a brand/company can turn in this industry and if Sony keeps acting this arrogant it will hurt at the start of next gen.

Of course  they exist, so you want them to say " just play the games on PC and Xbox ??????????????????????????????? " 



Mandalore76 said:
Aeolus451 said:
😹 I very much like honest companies. Both Nintendo and MS didn't want crossplay with Sony in the previous gen so why should Sony care about it now? MS and Nintendo trying to pull a PR stunt with this crossplay stuff. They only want it so they don't have to compete against the size of Sony's player base.

I keep hearing this trotted out, but no one ever lists a source for it other than "Sony recently said so".  Meanwhile, there was a dev last gen who specifically stated that Nintendo was open to cross-platform play on Wii U, but that it was Sony who wouldn't allow it.  So, what is the source for Nintendo refusing cross-platform play that Sony was asking for?

 

Not sure how relevant this is but I found this article for Microsoft...

https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xiv-isnt-coming-to-xbox-because-of-a-sil-723669207

Says it was already decided that FF14 wont be for XB1 so seems like MS already started the no-cross play policy for this gen before Sony and their PS4.  But maybe that changed with their whole "Xbox180" after their E3 console reveal and then going forward all games will be cross play?

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OT:  I can't say that PS4 is the best experience but I do enjoy Fortnite on home console whether it'd be PS4/XB1/NS docked because I just prefer the comfort of sitting on the couch with a big screen TV.  However I did play Fortnite on handheld with the Switch, not the smoothest but was still very fun and quite an enjoyable experience.  I know when I get my Switch later this year I can see myself playing it on handheld mode a lot.



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twintail said:
SuperNova said: 

'And that's because the best experience is to play on PlayStation, he said. So allowing other people to play would be a compromise' - it's in OP.

Yeah, you should probably learn to actually not take the word of a poorly formulated OP and check the source yourself. That quoted line is not the Sony CEO, its the writer of the article - who honestly isn't very good.

Still, this is what happens when no one has access to the actual source interview, and is using the OP interpretation of a 2nd hand source for confirmation bias. 

Yeah, you should probably learn how to read the whole post and not quote cut, or you would have noticed that I actually also pulled up the quote from Sonys CEO, wich that the author based his own quote on, too.

As it is your big, and regrettably foreseeable, 'HAHA! GOT YOU!'- moment rings a bit hollow. What is becoming clear though is that the hostile one is you.

I'm done with this conversation.



V-r0cK said:
Mandalore76 said:

I keep hearing this trotted out, but no one ever lists a source for it other than "Sony recently said so".  Meanwhile, there was a dev last gen who specifically stated that Nintendo was open to cross-platform play on Wii U, but that it was Sony who wouldn't allow it.  So, what is the source for Nintendo refusing cross-platform play that Sony was asking for?

 

Not sure how relevant this is but I found this article for Microsoft...

https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xiv-isnt-coming-to-xbox-because-of-a-sil-723669207

Says it was already decided that FF14 wont be for XB1 so seems like MS already started the no-cross play policy for this gen before Sony and their PS4.  But maybe that changed with their whole "Xbox180" after their E3 console reveal and then going forward all games will be cross play?

--

OT:  I can't say that PS4 is the best experience but I do enjoy Fortnite on home console whether it'd be PS4/XB1/NS docked because I just prefer the comfort of sitting on the couch with a big screen TV.  However I did play Fortnite on handheld with the Switch, not the smoothest but was still very fun and quite an enjoyable experience.  I know when I get my Switch later this year I can see myself playing it on handheld mode a lot.

People do have to understand that there is a different boss running the Xbox division now compared to when they did not want cross play.  Different boss runs their department differently and we can definitely say that Phil is running the Xbox division way different then Don.  In the end, the real issue is Sony locking out accounts if you play on any other system more than cross Play.  Sony has the rights to not allow cross play on their system but trying to influence gamers to only play on their system is about as anti consumer as it comes and any person defending that policy should be ignored.



V-r0cK said:
Mandalore76 said:

I keep hearing this trotted out, but no one ever lists a source for it other than "Sony recently said so".  Meanwhile, there was a dev last gen who specifically stated that Nintendo was open to cross-platform play on Wii U, but that it was Sony who wouldn't allow it.  So, what is the source for Nintendo refusing cross-platform play that Sony was asking for?

 

Not sure how relevant this is but I found this article for Microsoft...

https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xiv-isnt-coming-to-xbox-because-of-a-sil-723669207

Says it was already decided that FF14 wont be for XB1 so seems like MS already started the no-cross play policy for this gen before Sony and their PS4.  But maybe that changed with their whole "Xbox180" after their E3 console reveal and then going forward all games will be cross play?

--

OT:  I can't say that PS4 is the best experience but I do enjoy Fortnite on home console whether it'd be PS4/XB1/NS docked because I just prefer the comfort of sitting on the couch with a big screen TV.  However I did play Fortnite on handheld with the Switch, not the smoothest but was still very fun and quite an enjoyable experience.  I know when I get my Switch later this year I can see myself playing it on handheld mode a lot.

Does not matter what anyone was doing before. Only thing that matters now is the present. Microsoft being dicks in the past does give anyone else a free pass to be a dick now.

Do you work for Sony? If you do not work for Sony, or are not worried about your Sony stock, then you should be 100% against what Sony is doing and be supportive of Cross-Play. What Sony is doing is 100% for monetary reasons and anyone supporting it should be only supporting it for those same reasons. Any other reasons/defending/ecct is purely because you are a fanboy and Sony is your team.

Again what others did in the past should NEVER give someone a free pass to do something now. If the US started rounding up all the Jews and putting them in concentration camps should I be defending them because Germany did it in the past. No, Germany was wrong back then and the US would be wrong now. If Germany was calling out the US as bad people for putting Jews in concentration camps, should I call them hypocrites? No, Germany is not being hypocritical, they are no longer doing a bad thing and have every right to call out someone for doing that bad thing now.



Mandalore76 said:
Aeolus451 said:
😹 I very much like honest companies. Both Nintendo and MS didn't want crossplay with Sony in the previous gen so why should Sony care about it now? MS and Nintendo trying to pull a PR stunt with this crossplay stuff. They only want it so they don't have to compete against the size of Sony's player base.

I keep hearing this trotted out, but no one ever lists a source for it other than "Sony recently said so".  Meanwhile, there was a dev last gen who specifically stated that Nintendo was open to cross-platform play on Wii U, but that it was Sony who wouldn't allow it.  So, what is the source for Nintendo refusing cross-platform play that Sony was asking for?

Nintendo allows cross-play for Pure Chess

Oct 14, 2013  

Knytt Underground developer Ripstone said in an interview with Eurogamer that Nintendo will allow cross-platform play functionality for its upcoming title, Pure Chess

According to Ripstone creative director Phil Gaskell, Nintendo — which has traditionally had a closed platform — agreed to allow cross-platform multiplayer in the chess title, which means someone playing on the Wii U can compete with a player on a different console.

"...They said, 'Yep, no problem. You can have other console players playing against Wii U players. You can have smartphone players play against them. No problem,'" Gaskell told Eurogamer. "We're still talking to Sony about them relaxing their policies

  https://www.polygon.com/2013/10/14/4838864/nintendo-allows-cross-play-for-pure-chess-ripstone-says


 It's easy to be for something that very likely won't happen with the majority of 3rd party multiplatform games because the devs don't want it. Even if Nintendo does support it 100%, it doesn't mean its consoles or network could handle the higher end games like FF XIV ARR (which is fully crossplay, sony already agreed to crossplay with MS and Nintendo with game) without a ton of issues that degrade the experience for everyone. Nintendo and MS still haven't ported that game.



twintail said:
Zkuq said:

I don't particularly like anyone spinning things like that. In this case though, it's also trying to hide the real reason, which makes it especially despicable in my eyes.

I think its hilarious you are this offended by PR, but it is what it is  suppose.

Offended? Please don't put word in my mouth. I'm not offended.