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Will BF5 Fiasco scare other companies from pushing agendas in games?

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collint0101 on 25 August 2018
contestgamer said:
collint0101 said:

Yeah it's not an accident because there are more minorities working in these industries and more minorities getting into stuff like gaming and "nerdier" hobbies and more minorities in general in regards to population and demographics. This isn't the 50s, it's going to get harder and harder and make less and less sense to create entertainment that it's 95% white. You can definitely push that to the point that it becomes a bad thing but the fact that there are more minorities in games and movies is just a result of there being minorities in general

One of the reasons you have more minorities in these industries is due to leftist pressure to begin with. People were generally hiring friends, family and people in their circles. There has been a concentrated effort to break that system and force people to look outside their circles. The root changes are still agenda driven. But OK, one can see value there. However even once that demographic of entertainment people had shifted, there was a further agenda to ensure that representation translates to media they;re creating. Virtually all the media companies do require that casting agents hire at least a few minorities. 

Why is this a bad thing? Diversity for the sake of diversity or choosing diversity over quality is a bad thing but what's wrong with people creating media that simply better reflects how America actually looks?

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gemini_d@rk on 25 August 2018

Its a bunch of factors like the game looks a dlc from bf1, overwrite historical facts with sjw agenda, model and style saturation, arrogant declarations from directors, etc...



DonFerrari on 25 August 2018
collint0101 said:
contestgamer said:

One of the reasons you have more minorities in these industries is due to leftist pressure to begin with. People were generally hiring friends, family and people in their circles. There has been a concentrated effort to break that system and force people to look outside their circles. The root changes are still agenda driven. But OK, one can see value there. However even once that demographic of entertainment people had shifted, there was a further agenda to ensure that representation translates to media they;re creating. Virtually all the media companies do require that casting agents hire at least a few minorities. 

Why is this a bad thing? Diversity for the sake of diversity or choosing diversity over quality is a bad thing but what's wrong with people creating media that simply better reflects how America actually looks?

Forced diversity and agenda is bad, but having currently timed games have currently demographics is good. But when we retcon past events to have current demographics it is silly, and depending on the case inconsequential or preposterous it all depends on the game and what it want to convey.

Yet we still have series/movies that have 100% cast of minorities and hardly anyone complains that they aren't representative of demographics (in a thing like those silly no reverse racism and whatnot). Sure there are "ghettos" or groups that if you focus a history on them they will be majority like perhaps gay or transgender circle of friends, black neighborhood, etc, same way you would also see only cis white. The strange thing nowadays is that most entretainment seems to have demographic being wrong on having more minorities than the opposite (not that I actually think that is bad).

I'm more on the not complain one way or the other, but if someone is complaining for one I'll point out that he is being biased by not complaining on the other.



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Aeolus451 on 25 August 2018
collint0101 said:
Aeolus451 said:

I can't argue with that first sentence but the rest is meh. SJWs like to appropriate popular culture and entertainment then inject their agenda into it. They also like to dictate how everyone is supposed to act. If you don't comply then you're a racist, sexist, ect. Anti-sjws are a reaction to this. It turns out that appropriating someone's hobby or favorite IPs then fundamentally changing it so they incorporate their political message then virtue signal to non-consumer sjws is the best way to piss people off. Every time they hijack a film or something similar, it turns the fanbase into anti-sjws. There's nothing self-righteous about wanting to be left alone. If sjws would just cut that shit, no one would care what they did or said.

But there is something self righteous about getting your panties in a twist every time someone mentions women or minorities. Battlefield is a bad example because ea went about handling the controversy in the worst way possible alongside simply being a scummy company all together but that same excuse doesn't apply to people complaining about Ellie being gay in tLoU or people complaining about miles Morales being in the new Spiderman game. Complaining about there being too many minorites a game is just as annoying and whiny as complaining about there not being enough. 

No one cares about whamen and minorities in video games. People don't want their fav IP being hijacked by sjws and turned into some propaganda film or game. They also don't want something to be hamfisted about politics. It's that simple. Take that Ghostbusters film for example. It was hijacked and changed to fit a political agenda. Filmmakers gloat/virtue signal on twitter and in interviews about changing it to suit their political agenda then fans get mad about it and complains to filmmakers.  Filmmakers mischaracterize the valid complaints about the IP being changed to suit a political agenda into "we hate whamen". Fans get madder. Film does poorly. 

TLoU is being hamfisted about it instead of being subtle in the first game. It's gonna turn some people off from it. 

With Miles Morales, it comes off as hijacking for political agenda. Peter Parker was killed off in Ultimate Spider-Man and replaced by Miles. It's a sore spot. Marvel in general has been on a sjw kick with its characters.



collint0101 on 25 August 2018
Aeolus451 said:
collint0101 said:

But there is something self righteous about getting your panties in a twist every time someone mentions women or minorities. Battlefield is a bad example because ea went about handling the controversy in the worst way possible alongside simply being a scummy company all together but that same excuse doesn't apply to people complaining about Ellie being gay in tLoU or people complaining about miles Morales being in the new Spiderman game. Complaining about there being too many minorites a game is just as annoying and whiny as complaining about there not being enough. 

No one cares about whamen and minorities in video games. People don't want their fav IP being hijacked by sjws and turned into some propaganda film or game. They also don't want something to be hamfisted about politics. It's that simple. Take that Ghostbusters film for example. It was hijacked and changed to fit a political agenda. Filmmakers gloat/virtue signal on twitter and in interviews about changing it to suit their political agenda then fans get mad about it and complains to filmmakers.  Filmmakers mischaracterize the valid complaints about the IP being changed to suit a political agenda into "we hate whamen". Fans get madder. Film does poorly. 

TLoU is being hamfisted about it instead of being subtle in the first game. It's gonna turn some people off from it. 

With Miles Morales, it comes off as hijacking for political agenda. Peter Parker was killed off in Ultimate Spider-Man and replaced by Miles. It's a sore spot. Marvel in general has been on a sjw kick with its characters.

Marvel also killed off captain America and replaced him with Bucky for a while was that part of the sjw agenda? There's a clear double standard here, whenever something involves a minority or women it's a political issue or pandering but if you do the exact same thing but make the main character a straight white guy then it's not an issue and no one bats an eye.



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AZWification on 25 August 2018

I don't get it.  Medal of Honor used to have playable women in fucking 2000 and there was NO ONE complaining about " SJWs" and " muh historical accuracy" ( even though women did fight in WW2).



                
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contestgamer on 25 August 2018
collint0101 said:
Aeolus451 said:

No one cares about whamen and minorities in video games. People don't want their fav IP being hijacked by sjws and turned into some propaganda film or game. They also don't want something to be hamfisted about politics. It's that simple. Take that Ghostbusters film for example. It was hijacked and changed to fit a political agenda. Filmmakers gloat/virtue signal on twitter and in interviews about changing it to suit their political agenda then fans get mad about it and complains to filmmakers.  Filmmakers mischaracterize the valid complaints about the IP being changed to suit a political agenda into "we hate whamen". Fans get madder. Film does poorly. 

TLoU is being hamfisted about it instead of being subtle in the first game. It's gonna turn some people off from it. 

With Miles Morales, it comes off as hijacking for political agenda. Peter Parker was killed off in Ultimate Spider-Man and replaced by Miles. It's a sore spot. Marvel in general has been on a sjw kick with its characters.

Marvel also killed off captain America and replaced him with Bucky for a while was that part of the sjw agenda? There's a clear double standard here, whenever something involves a minority or women it's a political issue or pandering but if you do the exact same thing but make the main character a straight white guy then it's not an issue and no one bats an eye.

Thats been the norm/standard since the beginning of the country. There's no modern agenda there. The agenda is happening contrary to that, as a pushback against white people.



VAMatt on 25 August 2018

Aside from a small few on video game forums, nobody cares about (or even knows about) this agenda-pushing "controversy". BF5 preorders are down, as sales will likely be, because the game is launching in a crowded field. While it is one of the more significant series' in gaming over the last decade or so, it is the third most significant launching within a 14 day period. And, CoD and RDR are not just a bit bigger. They are massive, compared to BF. So, certainly EA is to blame for the impending disappointing sales. But, not for the reasons the OP states.



GOWTLOZ on 25 August 2018
DialgaMarine said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
It depends on how well TLOU2 will sell. One more lesbian kiss and that might just be the breaking point.

I still fail to see how TLoU 2 is “SJW propaganda”. It’s 2 chicks that made out. Big whoop. It’s not trying to take a historical event and rewrite to be more “gender inclusive”, or toning down any form of humor or violence to avoid offending anyone who isn’t a straight white male. In fact, the whole thing looks quite brutal. Even if someone is “offended” by two girls making out, I don’t see how that somehow detracts from the fact that everything else about the game looks great. 

Ellie killing men in the trailer. No woman getting hurt by a man. But the opposite happened in the previous trailer as well, where a woman hanging by the rope gets saved and kills a ton of men, who are lead by a woman, in your modern Star Wars style.

The boy in the previous trailer is played by a male hating transgender voice actor. Look at Robin Gamin's video on this.

Druckmann blatantly saying that he had an agenda of a strong female protagonist in TLOU and giving Anita Sarkeesian an award and saying he supports her.

You can see it in Uncharted 2, one lady kicking Drake and his brother's ass together, not even getting hurt. Its a recurring theme in modern Naughty Dog games, women perfectly capable of destroying men while men never get the better of them. Which is even more weird because men are generally stronger than women in real life but SJW propaganda cannot allow for it to be portrayed. Naughty Dog is totally on the SJW hype train. I am not getting TLOU 2 for this reason, and that the melee combat looks shallow. Like their other games, but well dressed by impressive animations.



contestgamer on 25 August 2018
VAMatt said:
Aside from a small few on video game forums, nobody cares about (or even knows about) this agenda-pushing "controversy". BF5 preorders are down, as sales will likely be, because the game is launching in a crowded field. While it is one of the more significant series' in gaming over the last decade or so, it is the third most significant launching within a 14 day period. And, CoD and RDR are not just a bit bigger. They are massive, compared to BF. So, certainly EA is to blame for the impending disappointing sales. But, not for the reasons the OP states.

Me and others in this thread personally know people boycotting this game for this specific reason, so you're wrong. How big of a factor is it? IDK, but it certainly is a factor.