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Will BF5 Fiasco scare other companies from pushing agendas in games?

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Errorist76 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:
No. Because it is alnost like a religion. They are fanactics and close minded to reason. Which is funny because usually they are also against religion.
Anyway, the trend will go on for wla while. It will take a few more failures for the companies to wake up and not "woke up". The impact on sales from sjw media is much lower than the impact from straying away from your playerbase. Kingdom Come Deliverance is an exampke. Excelente sales despite the nonsense sjw crazyness.
As for myself, I will play BFV only after a very good bundle deal with dlcs and unfortunately TLOF2 is going the same way.

I’m sure you didn’t play TLOU either because Ellie was kissing a girl in the first game already.

Yep I pkayed it a lot, one of my favorite games ever. I wont try to reason with you, will be probably worthless.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
DialgaMarine said:

I still fail to see how TLoU 2 is “SJW propaganda”. It’s 2 chicks that made out. Big whoop. It’s not trying to take a historical event and rewrite to be more “gender inclusive”, or toning down any form of humor or violence to avoid offending anyone who isn’t a straight white male. In fact, the whole thing looks quite brutal. Even if someone is “offended” by two girls making out, I don’t see how that somehow detracts from the fact that everything else about the game looks great. 

That's just it though. Much of the controversies surrounding "SJW Propoganda" doesn't actually have anything to do with SJWs. Inclusiveness is not an idea that is mutually exclusive with SJWs or the far left. 

Not sure what you mean. Inclusiveness as an agenda is SJW. Problem is that there are companies and groups purposefully trying to inject more inclusiveness and diversity in to media and it's not simply happening as a byproduct of content creation. That's why we have a female supergirl, bat woman and in fact characters even changing genders and races as well. Companies are purposefully trying to be more inclusive due to sjw pressure.

ResilientFighter said:

SJW in gaming is bad there should be any gore or sexual freedoms its a damn game thats why rating systems exist
being liberal is good it means progress to allowing minorities to have an equal chance and other positive things such as not letting those who hit rock bottom to starve to death or their kids to die of a fever do to not being able to afford health care
BFV is not failing so wth? It looks amazing! not perfect but still better than fortnite and that new COD abomination also better than destiny
I am not a woman or handicap hater so why would i not buy the game? if racist misogynists are so angry at a trailer leading to them not playing is only see that as a win :D

Pre orders dropped 85% for the game, so yes it is failing. 

ResilientFighter said:

seeing you love doom so much, how can you be happy conservatives try and blame doom for children becoming satanists and mass shooters?

I dont like doom and I'm not conservative so not sure of your point here. I simply don't like SJW agendas being pushed in every aspect of society.

xbebop said:

So, what's the controversy here? It's a video game, not a documentary. Battlefield is already nowhere near being an accurate simulation of war, so who cares about the inclusion of women as playable characters? 

Seriously, conservative snowflakes get triggered so easily.

 

P.S.: Women did, in fact, fight in the war. 

I dont know why you equate being anti SJW with being conservative. I'm not conservative (dude I voted Bernie), but I'm anti SJW. These female characters are being added as part of a diversity agenda. They were never considered as avatars for many, many years the franchise has been running, but all of a sudden they are? It's not an accident, it was a planned change to include them to propagate certain agendas.

collint0101 said:
I encounter way more anti sjws than I encounter actual sjws. Jesus Christ people do you not see the irony in this? Threads like this are just as whiny and annoying as watching a group of hardcore feminist go on about mansplaining on Tumblr. It's the exact same kind of self righteous bitching and moaning and expecting the entire planet to cave into your narrow minded viewpoint

Yeah there are more anti-sjw's. Just like there were more moderates than nazi's during WW2. So what? 

Errorist76 said:

The narrow mindedness of some people here is shocking. There are many more reasons why the game doesn’t get many pre-orders. I’m sure the girl sniper is the least of them.

 

Shadow1980 said: 

Yeah. That'll teach companies to not put in a protag that isn't a white hetero cis male.

In all seriousness, I cannot understand the mental process going on when someone looks at a trailer for an action game, sees a woman as a protagonist (at least where they feel one should not be), and has an absolute total freak out and expresses a deep-seated "need" to bitch about it on the internet and threaten (or actually go through with) a boycott. So Battlefield V won't be a total sausage-fest. So what? "It's not realistic?" Again, so what? It's a video game. You fucking play it. Y'know, to have fun. You can't have fun because your WW2 shooter has a woman? Why? What's your malfunction? Video games are only superficially realistic, and they have to be because they wouldn't be fun. If we really wanted it to be realistic, why not ensure every bit of tech is absolutely period accurate to the day and functions exactly as it did in real life (including all the jams, breaks, limited ammo, no half-mag reloads, etc. And while we're at it, why not have realistic injuries and permadeath as features to really ramp up the tension of potentially getting mowed down by MG42 fire two seconds after the boat ramps come down on Normandy? Maybe disease and hours of marching and non-combat activities to give it that added touch of authenticity.

But I honestly doubt that "realism" was the driving force of the complaints. 18 years ago EA put a woman front and center in a WW2 game:

And we didn't hear a fucking peep. Then again, this was before social media, before the onslaught of manchildren that was Gamergate, before every wingnut on the internet decided to openly and loudly scream "ESS JAY DOUBLE-U!" at everything that offended their warped and fragile sensibilities. I've read the comments on Youtube and elsewhere in the months since the reveal. The whole "muh historical accuracy" is a smokescreen. And the whole "Well, that EA rep said such and such" thing, well, he wouldn't have said anything had the usual suspects kept their traps shut and not had a rage fit. Honestly, I wish everybody left, right, and center would learn to just shut the hell up and learn to enjoy a game, movie, etc., based on its quality. Is the gameplay and story good? Then shut up and play it. Seriously, it's shit like this that makes me wish the internet wasn't a thing.

Nothing more to add.

Not sure that's the case, I personally know 3 people boycotting this and it's all because of the sniper girl as you call it. And yeah, all these people have been fed up with EA for a while now due to their business practices, but this is what pushed them over the edge to boycott.



DialgaMarine said:
Doubt it. Developers will just label anyone, who doesn’t blindly throw money at them, as bigots and then try even harder.

For some reason, people actually like this even less and become less likely to buy a product. I know people who were perfectly fine with Battlefield V until EA started making stupid comments, and then they decided not to get it. Reminds me of what happened with Ghostbuster 2016. The director and actors made similar "if you don't like it, you're a bigot" comments. Turns out, even people who aren't bigot don't like ultimatums like that and don't want to support emotional blackmail.



...Problem is that if you don't want 'woman in my Man game', there are dozens of other games than Battlefield with female protagonists to contend with. Lest you forget that last year had mega hits like Horizon and Splatoon 2 that prominently feature female characters, and you have plenty of more of those this year and up and coming from Lara Croft to Samus Aran.



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Shadow1980 said:

Yeah. That'll teach companies to not put in a protag that isn't a white hetero cis male.

In all seriousness, I cannot understand the mental process going on when someone looks at a trailer for an action game, sees a woman as a protagonist (at least where they feel one should not be), and has an absolute total freak out and expresses a deep-seated "need" to bitch about it on the internet and threaten (or actually go through with) a boycott. So Battlefield V won't be a total sausage-fest. So what? "It's not realistic?" Again, so what? It's a video game. You fucking play it. Y'know, to have fun. You can't have fun because your WW2 shooter has a woman? Why? What's your malfunction? Video games are only superficially realistic, and they have to be because they wouldn't be fun. If we really wanted it to be realistic, why not ensure every bit of tech is absolutely period accurate to the day and functions exactly as it did in real life (including all the jams, breaks, limited ammo, no half-mag reloads, etc. And while we're at it, why not have realistic injuries and permadeath as features to really ramp up the tension of potentially getting mowed down by MG42 fire two seconds after the boat ramps come down on Normandy? Maybe disease and hours of marching and non-combat activities to give it that added touch of authenticity.

But I honestly doubt that "realism" was the driving force of the complaints. 18 years ago EA put a woman front and center in a WW2 game:

And we didn't hear a fucking peep. Then again, this was before social media, before the onslaught of manchildren that was Gamergate, before every wingnut on the internet decided to openly and loudly scream "ESS JAY DOUBLE-U!" at everything that offended their warped and fragile sensibilities. I've read the comments on Youtube and elsewhere in the months since the reveal. The whole "muh historical accuracy" is a smokescreen. And the whole "Well, that EA rep said such and such" thing, well, he wouldn't have said anything had the usual suspects kept their traps shut and not had a rage fit. Honestly, I wish everybody left, right, and center would learn to just shut the hell up and learn to enjoy a game, movie, etc., based on its quality. Is the gameplay and story good? Then shut up and play it. Seriously, it's shit like this that makes me wish the internet wasn't a thing.

But weren't woman part of the underground movement in ww2? 

 

My issue is they've come up with a bs remaining of WW2. It's not just the heavy focus on woman. It's the robot arms and stupid costumes. Are we playing Battlefield or dishonored 3?

 

I'd prefer no woman in this unless a part focuses on resistant fighters. Am I against woman? No. I think it's stupid their games like bf4 and hard line etc online have no focus on woman. It annoys me that they don't buy ww2 does. EA are a shit show right now. Fucked up mass effect, titanfall, Battlefield and battlefront. Can this company do no right? 



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Nope, they never learn. They will blame it on the mysognistic patriarch and try again and again if movies or comics is anything to go by.

From my part I'll keep ignoring and avoiding. If the political agenda is well done or make a good game/series (I watch some that 90% of the time are fine, while I have to do lalalalala on the 10%) I will buy, if it is overboard, forced or make the game worse then I won't buy. ND is threading on a very thin line for me.



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Aeolus451 said:
collint0101 said:
I encounter way more anti sjws than I encounter actual sjws. Jesus Christ people do you not see the irony in this? Threads like this are just as whiny and annoying as watching a group of hardcore feminist go on about mansplaining on Tumblr. It's the exact same kind of self righteous bitching and moaning and expecting the entire planet to cave into your narrow minded viewpoint

I can't argue with that first sentence but the rest is meh. SJWs like to appropriate popular culture and entertainment then inject their agenda into it. They also like to dictate how everyone is supposed to act. If you don't comply then you're a racist, sexist, ect. Anti-sjws are a reaction to this. It turns out that appropriating someone's hobby or favorite IPs then fundamentally changing it so they incorporate their political message then virtue signal to non-consumer sjws is the best way to piss people off. Every time they hijack a film or something similar, it turns the fanbase into anti-sjws. There's nothing self-righteous about wanting to be left alone. If sjws would just cut that shit, no one would care what they did or said.

But there is something self righteous about getting your panties in a twist every time someone mentions women or minorities. Battlefield is a bad example because ea went about handling the controversy in the worst way possible alongside simply being a scummy company all together but that same excuse doesn't apply to people complaining about Ellie being gay in tLoU or people complaining about miles Morales being in the new Spiderman game. Complaining about there being too many minorites a game is just as annoying and whiny as complaining about there not being enough. 



Kerotan said:
Shadow1980 said:

Yeah. That'll teach companies to not put in a protag that isn't a white hetero cis male.

In all seriousness, I cannot understand the mental process going on when someone looks at a trailer for an action game, sees a woman as a protagonist (at least where they feel one should not be), and has an absolute total freak out and expresses a deep-seated "need" to bitch about it on the internet and threaten (or actually go through with) a boycott. So Battlefield V won't be a total sausage-fest. So what? "It's not realistic?" Again, so what? It's a video game. You fucking play it. Y'know, to have fun. You can't have fun because your WW2 shooter has a woman? Why? What's your malfunction? Video games are only superficially realistic, and they have to be because they wouldn't be fun. If we really wanted it to be realistic, why not ensure every bit of tech is absolutely period accurate to the day and functions exactly as it did in real life (including all the jams, breaks, limited ammo, no half-mag reloads, etc. And while we're at it, why not have realistic injuries and permadeath as features to really ramp up the tension of potentially getting mowed down by MG42 fire two seconds after the boat ramps come down on Normandy? Maybe disease and hours of marching and non-combat activities to give it that added touch of authenticity.

But I honestly doubt that "realism" was the driving force of the complaints. 18 years ago EA put a woman front and center in a WW2 game:

And we didn't hear a fucking peep. Then again, this was before social media, before the onslaught of manchildren that was Gamergate, before every wingnut on the internet decided to openly and loudly scream "ESS JAY DOUBLE-U!" at everything that offended their warped and fragile sensibilities. I've read the comments on Youtube and elsewhere in the months since the reveal. The whole "muh historical accuracy" is a smokescreen. And the whole "Well, that EA rep said such and such" thing, well, he wouldn't have said anything had the usual suspects kept their traps shut and not had a rage fit. Honestly, I wish everybody left, right, and center would learn to just shut the hell up and learn to enjoy a game, movie, etc., based on its quality. Is the gameplay and story good? Then shut up and play it. Seriously, it's shit like this that makes me wish the internet wasn't a thing.

But weren't woman part of the underground movement in ww2? 

 

My issue is they've come up with a bs remaining of WW2. It's not just the heavy focus on woman. It's the robot arms and stupid costumes. Are we playing Battlefield or dishonored 3?

 

I'd prefer no woman in this unless a part focuses on resistant fighters. Am I against woman? No. I think it's stupid their games like bf4 and hard line etc online have no focus on woman. It annoys me that they don't buy ww2 does. EA are a shit show right now. Fucked up mass effect, titanfall, Battlefield and battlefront. Can this company do no right? 

Mass Effect Andromeda was pretty great actually. If they didnt screw up the facial animations in the beginning it would have been far better received.



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collint0101 said:
Aeolus451 said:

I can't argue with that first sentence but the rest is meh. SJWs like to appropriate popular culture and entertainment then inject their agenda into it. They also like to dictate how everyone is supposed to act. If you don't comply then you're a racist, sexist, ect. Anti-sjws are a reaction to this. It turns out that appropriating someone's hobby or favorite IPs then fundamentally changing it so they incorporate their political message then virtue signal to non-consumer sjws is the best way to piss people off. Every time they hijack a film or something similar, it turns the fanbase into anti-sjws. There's nothing self-righteous about wanting to be left alone. If sjws would just cut that shit, no one would care what they did or said.

But there is something self righteous about getting your panties in a twist every time someone mentions women or minorities. Battlefield is a bad example because ea went about handling the controversy in the worst way possible alongside simply being a scummy company all together but that same excuse doesn't apply to people complaining about Ellie being gay in tLoU or people complaining about miles Morales being in the new Spiderman game. Complaining about there being too many minorites a game is just as annoying and whiny as complaining about there not being enough. 

Why? We complain because its agenda driven. Minorities have always existed in the US, but they were never as dominant in media a they are now. There's a reason for that, and that's a political diversity agenda that has swept up Hollywood. If a character has always been a minority or is a new character that happens to be a minority, that's different than writers/producers specifically having minority quotas or injecting minorities in to media for the explicit purpose of diversity. It's not happening by chance. It's the agenda we're against, the manipulation of society.



contestgamer said:
collint0101 said:

But there is something self righteous about getting your panties in a twist every time someone mentions women or minorities. Battlefield is a bad example because ea went about handling the controversy in the worst way possible alongside simply being a scummy company all together but that same excuse doesn't apply to people complaining about Ellie being gay in tLoU or people complaining about miles Morales being in the new Spiderman game. Complaining about there being too many minorites a game is just as annoying and whiny as complaining about there not being enough. 

Why? We complain because its agenda driven. Minorities have always existed in the US, but they were never as dominant in media a they are now. There's a reason for that, and that's a political diversity agenda that has swept up Hollywood. If a character has always been a minority or is a new character that happens to be a minority, that's different than writers/producers specifically having minority quotas or injecting minorities in to media for the explicit purpose of diversity. It's not happening by chance. It's the agenda we're against, the manipulation of society.

The problem is you people assume that every female or minority character is a part of this agenda like no one black or gay or female can be a worthwhile inclusion. That's why people keep thinking you guys are biggots or racist because all you do is complain about how many minorities there are in video games and movies. There are bad examples of how to include there characters I will never deny that but all you're doing is assuming that the inclusion of anyone that's not a straight white guy is because of some agenda like you have to have some additional motive to go against the norm