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collint0101 said:
Aeolus451 said:

False.

Ok if fascism isn't correct title for far right extremism then what is? It's like you're trying to shift the blame of every evil ideology ever to the left in an attempt to make the right look better

That's what the left likes to do. Anyway. Fascism is one of the correct terms for both the extreme far right and far left. Both can become authoritarian governments run by dictators who use force to silent their opposition and control their people.



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collint0101 said:
o_O.Q said:

"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce"

uh so what is suppression of opposition, government control of economy etc etc etc called on the leftist side in your view?

 

with your definition it kind of seems like this fascism thing doesn't really exist at all... so what the hell are those antifa people fighting?

Even in your heavily simplified definition it still mentions nationalism. Nationalism isn't left wing, you could even go as far to argue that hardline communist are anti nationalism. Even then that ignores the fact that racial superioriy is not Marxist and the strong ties between businessmen and the Nazi party which is super not Marxist. It's always been said that once you start looking at the extremes of both sides everything wraps back around and looks pretty similar but at the same time lumping fascism in with leftist ideology simply isn't correct. 

Again, nationalism isn't exclusive to the right. Fascism isn't exclusive to the right.

North Korea is left wing and nationalistic.

Communist Russia was left wing and nationalistic.

China is left wing and nationalistic.



autiqueefa keeping it classy.

a bunch of malcontent Stalinist, should be on a watch list and treated as enemies of the state.

it would be nice if they were as passionate for hygiene.



 

SuaveSocialist said:
Immersiveunreality said:

1. So why the reference?

2. ...parrot that illogically

1. You are asking me why NYCrisis corrected melbye's error.  I ask why you raise this question to me instead of NYCrisis.  I ask you where NYCrisis said anything about what's acceptable.  

2. Only when you provide rational answers to my questions will you have the privilige of discussing logic/illogic with me.

1.Because you defended him without seemingly knowing motives.

2.You did not ask questions in the first place, you made a statement about what others said and i did question that.



collint0101 said:
o_O.Q said:

"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce"

uh so what is suppression of opposition, government control of economy etc etc etc called on the leftist side in your view?

 

with your definition it kind of seems like this fascism thing doesn't really exist at all... so what the hell are those antifa people fighting?

Even in your heavily simplified definition it still mentions nationalism. Nationalism isn't left wing, you could even go as far to argue that hardline communist are anti nationalism. Even then that ignores the fact that racial superioriy is not Marxist and the strong ties between businessmen and the Nazi party which is super not Marxist. It's always been said that once you start looking at the extremes of both sides everything wraps back around and looks pretty similar but at the same time lumping fascism in with leftist ideology simply isn't correct. 

"Nationalism isn't left wing"

why don't you think a leftist can have pride for their country?

 

"racial superioriy"

is not inherently a component of fascism

 

"the strong ties between businessmen and the Nazi party"

there were strong ties between the two because the nazis/government controlled the businesses... which is the core goal of marxism

 

"at the same time lumping fascism in with leftist ideology simply isn't correct. "

you haven't really demonstrated that though



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Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

When you see the amount of transexual that reverse the surgery, or later decide they are transpecies, the much higher rate of suicide you can see that there is some room to investigate mental disorder.

But you totally gone sideways to avoid acknowledging the amount of victimization done by left wing when any failure is quickly justified with "it's because I'm black, gay, woman, etc" never because the person wasn't good enough for what he was trying.

Transexual is not a mental disorder.
Homosexuals also have a much higher rate of suicide.

When you are a minority that constantly suffers from other people whinging about you, criticizing you, making false claims about you, attacking you (Verbally and/or Physically), then obviously mental health issues will become more prevalent. - I have lost count on the amount of training I have had on mental health and LGBTQI issues... And I can happily say you are very wrong.

Treat them with respect like any other human being... At the end of the day, we all bleed the same colour of blood.

And with that in mind... This isn't the correct thread for this topic anyway.

collint0101 said:

Nope my point is that the right likes to victimize itself and make it look like those big bad liberals are always out to get them. Owens having garbage thrown at her is shitty but so is this https://abc13.com/society/viral-video-woman-in-park-harassed-for-puerto-rico-shirt/3741072/ and I don't see many republicans talking about freedom of speech when shit like that happens

The left and right are just as bad as each other.
Both pretend they are the victims, both can spew hatred and intolerance, both have extremists, both have conspiracy theorists, both can limit basic rights and freedoms.

I think peoples constant back and forth arguing about whether the left or the right being "worse" than the other is pretty pointless, history is littered with bad precedents from both camps.


"When you are a minority that constantly suffers from other people whinging about you, criticizing you, making false claims about you, attacking you (Verbally and/or Physically), then obviously mental health issues will become more prevalent."

 



Funny because Antifa IS garbage, so they must be throwing themselves on conservatives.

Anyone defending this is garbage as well.



Aeolus451 said:
collint0101 said:

Ok if fascism isn't correct title for far right extremism then what is? It's like you're trying to shift the blame of every evil ideology ever to the left in an attempt to make the right look better

That's what the left likes to do. Anyway. Fascism is one of the correct terms for both the extreme far right and far left. Both can become authoritarian governments run by dictators who use force to silent their opposition and control their people.

People on the left promote tolerance and freedom. Name even one authoritarian government/dictator that promotes tolerance and freedom. And a bullshit answer that Soviet Union/North Korea are on the left is just a bullshit answer since they are even more anti-tolerance/anti-freedom than Nazi Germany was. And what's equally as bullshit is that idiotic whining/argument that "Those leftist are so racist because they don't let me be racist". No shit? How could they even be anti-racist if they would just say that "Be as racist as you want. We let all the flowers grow."



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OdinHades said:

What people don't get about Antifa is that it's not an organization but simply a movement. Anyone can walk around with an Antifa logo. There's no hierarchy or anything. You can kinda compare it to anonymous. And yes, there are some gigantic idiots and assholes among those people with an Antifa flag. But the vast majority of Antifa acts peacefully. The problem is that you will never hear news about peaceful protests, because nobody gives a shit about that.

Discrediting the whole idea of Antifa because of some assholes is like saying everyone in the republican party is a nazi just because of one or two assholes in there who act like that.

Just wanted to leave that here. I still think Antifa is a good thing. We need resistance against each and every fascist movement.

Yup that sounds about right.   Beyond Antifa though, most groups of every type are subjected to this type of coverage.  You eyes are opened.  You get it!



Immersiveunreality said:
SuaveSocialist said:

1. You are asking me why NYCrisis corrected melbye's error.  I ask why you raise this question to me instead of NYCrisis.  I ask you where NYCrisis said anything about what's acceptable.  

2. Only when you provide rational answers to my questions will you have the privilige of discussing logic/illogic with me.

1.Because you defended him without seemingly knowing motives.

2.You did not ask questions 

1. So you are asking me why NYCrisis chose to correct melbye's error...because I didn't know what motivated NYCrisis when he chose to correct melbye's error.  I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.

I note that you did not point out where NYCrisis mentioned anything about what's acceptable.

2. My questions were in my previous reply and you failed to answer either of them rationally.