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collint0101 said:
DonFerrari said:

So being throw garbage and showing it is self victimising?

Peple rallying and violenting protesting against Right Wing giving speeches on universities, invading classes of teachers of different opinions, etc are very much facist behavior.

Saying the left is violent after having garbage thrown at you is justified but complaining because YouTube or Spotify doesn't want to host Alex Jones and his nut job conspiracy theories is is not. The right needs to realize that no one is entitled to a platform when you're using someone else's site or going to someone else's college there is no law saying they whoever actually owns that platform must allow you to speak. That's self victimising imo, yes it's shitty that Owens had garbage thrown at her but next she's probably going to turn around and complain about some right wing fear monger being kicked off of YouTube. 

Are you saying that someone arguing that Alex Jones shouldn't be kicked off YouTube is just as bad as throwing garbage at someone eating food at a restaurant?



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irstupid said:
collint0101 said:

Saying the left is violent after having garbage thrown at you is justified but complaining because YouTube or Spotify doesn't want to host Alex Jones and his nut job conspiracy theories is is not. The right needs to realize that no one is entitled to a platform when you're using someone else's site or going to someone else's college there is no law saying they whoever actually owns that platform must allow you to speak. That's self victimising imo, yes it's shitty that Owens had garbage thrown at her but next she's probably going to turn around and complain about some right wing fear monger being kicked off of YouTube. 

Are you saying that someone arguing that Alex Jones shouldn't be kicked off YouTube is just as bad as throwing garbage at someone eating food at a restaurant?

Nope my point is that the right likes to victimize itself and make it look like those big bad liberals are always out to get them. Owens having garbage thrown at her is shitty but so is this https://abc13.com/society/viral-video-woman-in-park-harassed-for-puerto-rico-shirt/3741072/ and I don't see many republicans talking about freedom of speech when shit like that happens



collint0101 said:
irstupid said:

Are you saying that someone arguing that Alex Jones shouldn't be kicked off YouTube is just as bad as throwing garbage at someone eating food at a restaurant?

Nope my point is that the right likes to victimize itself and make it look like those big bad liberals are always out to get them. Owens having garbage thrown at her is shitty but so is this https://abc13.com/society/viral-video-woman-in-park-harassed-for-puerto-rico-shirt/3741072/ and I don't see many republicans talking about freedom of speech when shit like that happens

So Republicans are now bad because they aren't defending a man who harassed a woman?



MrWayne said:
thismeintiel said:

You don't have to hate a certain race to be fascist. It's just putting your nation above all others (even at the other countries detriment), while also being violently authoritative to your opposition and people. Taking control of business, banks, and religion. Antifa may not be about putting America above all other countries, but they sure as hell check off all the other qualifications. 

Aeolus451 said:

That's not fascism. 

"Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce"

Considering that antifa likes communism, socialism and anarchism, it makes sense they act the way they do. 

"Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"Since the emergence of fascism in Europe in the first half of the 20th century, the term "fascist" has frequently been used as a pejorative epithet against a wide range of individuals, political movements, governments, public and private institutions, including those that would not usually be classified as fascist in mainstream political science. It usually serves as an emotionally loaded substitute for authoritarian."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_(insult)

we should use the scientific definition of Fascism because otherwise the term becomes pretty meaningless. So the Antifa is not a fascist group.

Every moderate leftist person shouldn't sympathize with the Antifa, they are extremists and their goals don't justify their actions. Furthermore, the Antifa might not be the worst scum but always pointing out that there is even bigger scum, is downplaying their actions.

I gave the actual definition of it already. Both the left or right can be fascist. Most of the actual governments that fit the definition of fascism are communist or socialist. Some of that is written by left  leaning academics.

Antifa's beliefs and actions fits the definition of fascism better than the people they are against.They are against free speech completely. They use violence and intimidation against the people who they disagree with politically. Alot of them believe in communism.  Their name is oxymoronic and just serves as misdirection. 



Aeolus451 said:
MrWayne said:

"Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"Since the emergence of fascism in Europe in the first half of the 20th century, the term "fascist" has frequently been used as a pejorative epithet against a wide range of individuals, political movements, governments, public and private institutions, including those that would not usually be classified as fascist in mainstream political science. It usually serves as an emotionally loaded substitute for authoritarian."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_(insult)

we should use the scientific definition of Fascism because otherwise the term becomes pretty meaningless. So the Antifa is not a fascist group.

Every moderate leftist person shouldn't sympathize with the Antifa, they are extremists and their goals don't justify their actions. Furthermore, the Antifa might not be the worst scum but always pointing out that there is even bigger scum, is downplaying their actions.

I gave the actual definition of it already. Both the left or right can be fascist. Most of the actual governments that fit the definition of fascism are communist or socialist. Some of that is written by left  leaning academics.

Antifa's beliefs and actions fits the definition of fascism better than the people they are against.They are against free speech completely. They use violence and intimidation against the people who they disagree with politically. Alot of them believe in communism.  Their name is oxymoronic and just serves as misdirection. 

Both the right and left can be authoritarian but fascism is specific to the right just like stalinism is uniquely left wing



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irstupid said:
collint0101 said:

Nope my point is that the right likes to victimize itself and make it look like those big bad liberals are always out to get them. Owens having garbage thrown at her is shitty but so is this https://abc13.com/society/viral-video-woman-in-park-harassed-for-puerto-rico-shirt/3741072/ and I don't see many republicans talking about freedom of speech when shit like that happens

So Republicans are now bad because they aren't defending a man who harassed a woman?

I feel like you missed my point. Either that or I didn't communicate it clearly



collint0101 said:
irstupid said:

So Republicans are now bad because they aren't defending a man who harassed a woman?

I feel like you missed my point. Either that or I didn't communicate it clearly

Are you saying we shoudl be condemning that guys actions. Marching on the streets and creating topics after topics on how horrible that guy is?

Why? He didn't get away with it. He is under suspension and investigation and should get charged with something. There is no need to cry when punishment is being dealt. No on is praising what he did. 

In this Antifa case, there is no punishment. They are getting away scott free and likely many people are praising what they did. 

Imagine your in school and two kids both spit in the teachers face. One kid gets sent to detention and nothing happens to the other kid. Why is it surprising that we would cause a fuss over the kid that didn't get punished? The other kid got punished, hopefully he learnt his lesson and will not do it again. But why does the other kid get off scott free? 

That is why we are angry when we see things like this, or other "protests". How often is there violence, destruction, looting, attacking police and so on and at the end of the day hardly anyone is arrested and any that are get released a day later with no punishment. 

I don't care what the persons race, sex, religion, party, group or anythign they are a part of. If a group of KKK members burn a cop car, or Antifa members burn a cop car, they should both be arrested and given the same punishment for that crime.

So many times I feel like I'm watching the scene from It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia where Frank asks who is looting or surviving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_Om13VpQw



irstupid said:
collint0101 said:

I feel like you missed my point. Either that or I didn't communicate it clearly

Are you saying we shoudl be condemning that guys actions. Marching on the streets and creating topics after topics on how horrible that guy is?

Why? He didn't get away with it. He is under suspension and investigation and should get charged with something. There is no need to cry when punishment is being dealt. No on is praising what he did. 

In this Antifa case, there is no punishment. They are getting away scott free and likely many people are praising what they did. 

Imagine your in school and two kids both spit in the teachers face. One kid gets sent to detention and nothing happens to the other kid. Why is it surprising that we would cause a fuss over the kid that didn't get punished? The other kid got punished, hopefully he learnt his lesson and will not do it again. But why does the other kid get off scott free? 

That is why we are angry when we see things like this, or other "protests". How often is there violence, destruction, looting, attacking police and so on and at the end of the day hardly anyone is arrested and any that are get released a day later with no punishment. 

I don't care what the persons race, sex, religion, party, group or anythign they are a part of. If a group of KKK members burn a cop car, or Antifa members burn a cop car, they should both be arrested and given the same punishment for that crime.

So many times I feel like I'm watching the scene from It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia where Frank asks who is looting or surviving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_Om13VpQw

The cops were there and they handled the situation. What more do you want? Owens and whoever she was with didn't even press charges they just went on a Twitter rant 



collint0101 said:
DonFerrari said:

And what do you have to say about the victimization that left wing basically have monopoly?

Also complaining about social media biggotry and double standard isn't victimization. It is showing something that is really happening.

What the victimization that maybe conservatives shouldn't say trans people are mentally ill or that people on welfare aren't trying to screw you out of a tax cut or that we shouldn't try to ban all muslims from entering the country? Either way freedom of speech protects you from the government and it has nothing to do with people yelling at trump aids while they eat or whether or not you have a right to post conspiracy theories on YouTube. 

When you see the amount of transexual that reverse the surgery, or later decide they are transpecies, the much higher rate of suicide you can see that there is some room to investigate mental disorder.

But you totally gone sideways to avoid acknowledging the amount of victimization done by left wing when any failure is quickly justified with "it's because I'm black, gay, woman, etc" never because the person wasn't good enough for what he was trying.

irstupid said:
collint0101 said:

I feel like you missed my point. Either that or I didn't communicate it clearly

Are you saying we shoudl be condemning that guys actions. Marching on the streets and creating topics after topics on how horrible that guy is?

Why? He didn't get away with it. He is under suspension and investigation and should get charged with something. There is no need to cry when punishment is being dealt. No on is praising what he did. 

In this Antifa case, there is no punishment. They are getting away scott free and likely many people are praising what they did. 

Imagine your in school and two kids both spit in the teachers face. One kid gets sent to detention and nothing happens to the other kid. Why is it surprising that we would cause a fuss over the kid that didn't get punished? The other kid got punished, hopefully he learnt his lesson and will not do it again. But why does the other kid get off scott free? 

That is why we are angry when we see things like this, or other "protests". How often is there violence, destruction, looting, attacking police and so on and at the end of the day hardly anyone is arrested and any that are get released a day later with no punishment. 

I don't care what the persons race, sex, religion, party, group or anythign they are a part of. If a group of KKK members burn a cop car, or Antifa members burn a cop car, they should both be arrested and given the same punishment for that crime.

So many times I feel like I'm watching the scene from It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia where Frank asks who is looting or surviving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_Om13VpQw

Because it doesn't matter what you do, but who you are and why you are doing... when you are left wing and you hate and destroy it's with love.

collint0101 said:
irstupid said:

Are you saying we shoudl be condemning that guys actions. Marching on the streets and creating topics after topics on how horrible that guy is?

Why? He didn't get away with it. He is under suspension and investigation and should get charged with something. There is no need to cry when punishment is being dealt. No on is praising what he did. 

In this Antifa case, there is no punishment. They are getting away scott free and likely many people are praising what they did. 

Imagine your in school and two kids both spit in the teachers face. One kid gets sent to detention and nothing happens to the other kid. Why is it surprising that we would cause a fuss over the kid that didn't get punished? The other kid got punished, hopefully he learnt his lesson and will not do it again. But why does the other kid get off scott free? 

That is why we are angry when we see things like this, or other "protests". How often is there violence, destruction, looting, attacking police and so on and at the end of the day hardly anyone is arrested and any that are get released a day later with no punishment. 

I don't care what the persons race, sex, religion, party, group or anythign they are a part of. If a group of KKK members burn a cop car, or Antifa members burn a cop car, they should both be arrested and given the same punishment for that crime.

So many times I feel like I'm watching the scene from It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia where Frank asks who is looting or surviving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_Om13VpQw

The cops were there and they handled the situation. What more do you want? Owens and whoever she was with didn't even press charges they just went on a Twitter rant 

Seems like his point flow over your head over 30000ft and 700mph.



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MrWayne said:
thismeintiel said:

You don't have to hate a certain race to be fascist. It's just putting your nation above all others (even at the other countries detriment), while also being violently authoritative to your opposition and people. Taking control of business, banks, and religion. Antifa may not be about putting America above all other countries, but they sure as hell check off all the other qualifications. 

Aeolus451 said:

That's not fascism. 

"Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce"

Considering that antifa likes communism, socialism and anarchism, it makes sense they act the way they do. 

"Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"Since the emergence of fascism in Europe in the first half of the 20th century, the term "fascist" has frequently been used as a pejorative epithet against a wide range of individuals, political movements, governments, public and private institutions, including those that would not usually be classified as fascist in mainstream political science. It usually serves as an emotionally loaded substitute for authoritarian."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_(insult)

we should use the scientific definition of Fascism because otherwise the term becomes pretty meaningless. So the Antifa is not a fascist group.

Every moderate leftist person shouldn't sympathize with the Antifa, they are extremists and their goals don't justify their actions. Furthermore, the Antifa might not be the worst scum but always pointing out that there is even bigger scum, is downplaying their actions.

We just gave you the actual definition of a fascist.  From the exact same source you posted.  Now, just because some like to (falsely) equate fascists with the far-right, doesn't make us incorrect.  Fascism exists on both sides of the political spectrum.  In fact, while many on the Left don't like to admit it, it is mainly what the Communist/Marxist countries become.  Because you can't have a country completely controlled by the government when man's natural instinct is to remain free, so you must do so by violent force, all the while preaching about it being the best for the motherland.