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collint0101 said:

The line is crossed when it comes to actual violence imo. I'm all for trump, his administration and even major conservative voices being called out in public for their backwards bs but throwing garbage at people just gives ammo to these people who are just itching for an opportunity to say "the left are the real fascists" or some other self victimising garbage

So being throw garbage and showing it is self victimising?

Peple rallying and violenting protesting against Right Wing giving speeches on universities, invading classes of teachers of different opinions, etc are very much facist behavior.



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DonFerrari said:
OdinHades said:

Biggest problem would be that the majority of Antifa never gets asked. I can only provide anecdotal evidence, but I know just two people who actually think violence is a legit tool for Antifa to use (although to my knowledge, they didn't ever use violence). I can't count the number of people who think otherwise. Antifa also can't publicly condemn the act, because as I said, it's not an organization. There is no spokesperson or whatever who can speak for Antifa. You can only speak for yourself and you're just a part of it. So if some asshole on TV defends this kinda shit, he's not talking for me or my buddies, he's just talking for himself.

I'll be perfectly honest with you, I don't follow the news about Antifa all that much, so I haven't heard of anyone defending those kinda actions. If that happens, that's not ok. But you still shouldn't project that to the whole movement. But just out of curiosity, who is defending such actions? 

Well we have facebook for example. Never see any of my several contacts that are left wing ever condeming violent speech and action of any left wing movement whatsoever. And when you ask them they will say those are valid reaction to the oppresion they suffer.

You can look on this very thread some people thinking it more or less acceptable.

In Brazil we had the "black blocks" (similar movement in action) and it got sponsored by majority of actors, musicians and several left wing politicians. I could bet if you look on USA you'll see public figure heads defending the violence they do.

I wouldn't ever frame the whole movement (same for black or woman and being violent and against white and man), but the so called "minuscule minority" that suposedly is very vocal and can get platform to show it isn't ever publically condemned by those majority of the movement that is good people.

They're still better people than the Neo-Nazis, KKK and Westboro Baptist, who are essentially fascists themselves, and the Trump administration, which has unbelievably fascist ideals.

DonFerrari said:
collint0101 said:

The line is crossed when it comes to actual violence imo. I'm all for trump, his administration and even major conservative voices being called out in public for their backwards bs but throwing garbage at people just gives ammo to these people who are just itching for an opportunity to say "the left are the real fascists" or some other self victimising garbage

So being throw garbage and showing it is self victimising?

Sounds like the sort of lame-ass excuse you'd hear out of a Klansman.



CaptainExplosion said:
DonFerrari said:

Well we have facebook for example. Never see any of my several contacts that are left wing ever condeming violent speech and action of any left wing movement whatsoever. And when you ask them they will say those are valid reaction to the oppresion they suffer.

You can look on this very thread some people thinking it more or less acceptable.

In Brazil we had the "black blocks" (similar movement in action) and it got sponsored by majority of actors, musicians and several left wing politicians. I could bet if you look on USA you'll see public figure heads defending the violence they do.

I wouldn't ever frame the whole movement (same for black or woman and being violent and against white and man), but the so called "minuscule minority" that suposedly is very vocal and can get platform to show it isn't ever publically condemned by those majority of the movement that is good people.

They're still better people than the Neo-Nazis, KKK and Westboro Baptist, who are essentially fascists themselves, and the Trump administration, which has unbelievably fascist ideals.

DonFerrari said:

So being throw garbage and showing it is self victimising?

Sounds like the sort of lame-ass excuse you'd hear out of a Klansman.

Nope. All very bad people. So if a Neo-Nazi hate black people but never take violence against them, he is a worse person than an Antifa that attacks and may kill someone?

I'm not sure the lame-ass excuse you are saying is for my reply or the OdinHades



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
CaptainExplosion said:

They're still better people than the Neo-Nazis, KKK and Westboro Baptist, who are essentially fascists themselves, and the Trump administration, which has unbelievably fascist ideals.

Sounds like the sort of lame-ass excuse you'd hear out of a Klansman.

Nope. All very bad people. So if a Neo-Nazi hate black people but never take violence against them, he is a worse person than an Antifa that attacks and may kill someone?

I'm not sure the lame-ass excuse you are saying is for my reply or the OdinHades

He is, because he's spreading hatred and oppression of non-whites everywhere he goes just by spouting that ideology, and said ideology was responsible for the Holocaust, which was CAUSED BY FASCISTS.





CaptainExplosion said:
melbye said:
Ugh Antifa, biggest scum out there. They might not be fascist, but they really love using their methods.

So instead you'd rather the rise of Nazi-like sociopaths who get away with murder constantly?

You'd rather Neo-Nazis, KKK and Westboro Baptist Church keep harassing minorities and the next of kin of dead soldiers?

Is that the world you want?

If yes, then why don't we all just go out and start burning down synagogues, hanging people for being black, bashing a gay man's head in with a baseball bat, or throw stones at Muslims? Because hey, fighting back against people who do so is bad for some reason, herpa doy!!

I can't think of any case where Nazi-like sociopaths have gotten away with murder in a very long world

And for the world i want, i want a world were authoritarians are gone so normal people, liberal or conservative, can disagree and still get along



Nothing to see here, move along

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CaptainExplosion said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope. All very bad people. So if a Neo-Nazi hate black people but never take violence against them, he is a worse person than an Antifa that attacks and may kill someone?

I'm not sure the lame-ass excuse you are saying is for my reply or the OdinHades

He is, because he's spreading hatred and oppression of non-whites everywhere he goes just by spouting that ideology, and said ideology was responsible for the Holocaust, which was CAUSED BY FASCISTS.

OdinHades didn't seem to be advocate of nazism to me.

He seems someone on left wing who don't condone the violence of these groups. I'm just not sure if he doesn't support it because of the action itself or because of the bad light it puts on a left wing movement.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

NYCrysis said:
melbye said:
Ugh Antifa, biggest scum out there. They might not be fascist, but they really love using their methods.

Nothing is scummier than a Nazi, kkk, alt right member. Antifa has killed ZERO PEOPLE TILL DATE. The alt right are the ones brandishing guns and goon squads as intimidation against those who oppose them, aka anyone not white and Christian. 

I'd argue gang members are worse, they do significantly more destruction than any group and fuck up communities. We can't even call them animals without liberals getting upset.

Any who, maybe Antifa aren't the biggest scum but they're fucking scum. They cover their faces so they can assault people, we should consider that a serious problem. Also people should be allowed to have opposing views without being harassed, but called me old fashion.

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DonFerrari said:
collint0101 said:

The line is crossed when it comes to actual violence imo. I'm all for trump, his administration and even major conservative voices being called out in public for their backwards bs but throwing garbage at people just gives ammo to these people who are just itching for an opportunity to say "the left are the real fascists" or some other self victimising garbage

So being throw garbage and showing it is self victimising?

Peple rallying and violenting protesting against Right Wing giving speeches on universities, invading classes of teachers of different opinions, etc are very much facist behavior.

Saying the left is violent after having garbage thrown at you is justified but complaining because YouTube or Spotify doesn't want to host Alex Jones and his nut job conspiracy theories is is not. The right needs to realize that no one is entitled to a platform when you're using someone else's site or going to someone else's college there is no law saying they whoever actually owns that platform must allow you to speak. That's self victimising imo, yes it's shitty that Owens had garbage thrown at her but next she's probably going to turn around and complain about some right wing fear monger being kicked off of YouTube. 



collint0101 said:
DonFerrari said:

So being throw garbage and showing it is self victimising?

Peple rallying and violenting protesting against Right Wing giving speeches on universities, invading classes of teachers of different opinions, etc are very much facist behavior.

Saying the left is violent after having garbage thrown at you is justified but complaining because YouTube or Spotify doesn't want to host Alex Jones and his nut job conspiracy theories is is not. The right needs to realize that no one is entitled to a platform when you're using someone else's site or going to someone else's college there is no law saying they whoever actually owns that platform must allow you to speak. That's self victimising imo, yes it's shitty that Owens had garbage thrown at her but next she's probably going to turn around and complain about some right wing fear monger being kicked off of YouTube. 

And what do you have to say about the victimization that left wing basically have monopoly?

Also complaining about social media biggotry and double standard isn't victimization. It is showing something that is really happening.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
collint0101 said:

Saying the left is violent after having garbage thrown at you is justified but complaining because YouTube or Spotify doesn't want to host Alex Jones and his nut job conspiracy theories is is not. The right needs to realize that no one is entitled to a platform when you're using someone else's site or going to someone else's college there is no law saying they whoever actually owns that platform must allow you to speak. That's self victimising imo, yes it's shitty that Owens had garbage thrown at her but next she's probably going to turn around and complain about some right wing fear monger being kicked off of YouTube. 

And what do you have to say about the victimization that left wing basically have monopoly?

Also complaining about social media biggotry and double standard isn't victimization. It is showing something that is really happening.

What the victimization that maybe conservatives shouldn't say trans people are mentally ill or that people on welfare aren't trying to screw you out of a tax cut or that we shouldn't try to ban all muslims from entering the country? Either way freedom of speech protects you from the government and it has nothing to do with people yelling at trump aids while they eat or whether or not you have a right to post conspiracy theories on YouTube.