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DonFerrari on 07 August 2018
CaptainExplosion said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope. All very bad people. So if a Neo-Nazi hate black people but never take violence against them, he is a worse person than an Antifa that attacks and may kill someone?

I'm not sure the lame-ass excuse you are saying is for my reply or the OdinHades

He is, because he's spreading hatred and oppression of non-whites everywhere he goes just by spouting that ideology, and said ideology was responsible for the Holocaust, which was CAUSED BY FASCISTS.

OdinHades didn't seem to be advocate of nazism to me.

He seems someone on left wing who don't condone the violence of these groups. I'm just not sure if he doesn't support it because of the action itself or because of the bad light it puts on a left wing movement.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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Mr Puggsly on 07 August 2018
NYCrysis said:
melbye said:
Ugh Antifa, biggest scum out there. They might not be fascist, but they really love using their methods.

Nothing is scummier than a Nazi, kkk, alt right member. Antifa has killed ZERO PEOPLE TILL DATE. The alt right are the ones brandishing guns and goon squads as intimidation against those who oppose them, aka anyone not white and Christian. 

I'd argue gang members are worse, they do significantly more destruction than any group and fuck up communities. We can't even call them animals without liberals getting upset.

Any who, maybe Antifa aren't the biggest scum but they're fucking scum. They cover their faces so they can assault people, we should consider that a serious problem. Also people should be allowed to have opposing views without being harassed, but called me old fashion.

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collint0101 on 07 August 2018
DonFerrari said:
collint0101 said:

The line is crossed when it comes to actual violence imo. I'm all for trump, his administration and even major conservative voices being called out in public for their backwards bs but throwing garbage at people just gives ammo to these people who are just itching for an opportunity to say "the left are the real fascists" or some other self victimising garbage

So being throw garbage and showing it is self victimising?

Peple rallying and violenting protesting against Right Wing giving speeches on universities, invading classes of teachers of different opinions, etc are very much facist behavior.

Saying the left is violent after having garbage thrown at you is justified but complaining because YouTube or Spotify doesn't want to host Alex Jones and his nut job conspiracy theories is is not. The right needs to realize that no one is entitled to a platform when you're using someone else's site or going to someone else's college there is no law saying they whoever actually owns that platform must allow you to speak. That's self victimising imo, yes it's shitty that Owens had garbage thrown at her but next she's probably going to turn around and complain about some right wing fear monger being kicked off of YouTube. 



DonFerrari on 07 August 2018
collint0101 said:
DonFerrari said:

So being throw garbage and showing it is self victimising?

Peple rallying and violenting protesting against Right Wing giving speeches on universities, invading classes of teachers of different opinions, etc are very much facist behavior.

Saying the left is violent after having garbage thrown at you is justified but complaining because YouTube or Spotify doesn't want to host Alex Jones and his nut job conspiracy theories is is not. The right needs to realize that no one is entitled to a platform when you're using someone else's site or going to someone else's college there is no law saying they whoever actually owns that platform must allow you to speak. That's self victimising imo, yes it's shitty that Owens had garbage thrown at her but next she's probably going to turn around and complain about some right wing fear monger being kicked off of YouTube. 

And what do you have to say about the victimization that left wing basically have monopoly?

Also complaining about social media biggotry and double standard isn't victimization. It is showing something that is really happening.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

collint0101 on 07 August 2018
DonFerrari said:
collint0101 said:

Saying the left is violent after having garbage thrown at you is justified but complaining because YouTube or Spotify doesn't want to host Alex Jones and his nut job conspiracy theories is is not. The right needs to realize that no one is entitled to a platform when you're using someone else's site or going to someone else's college there is no law saying they whoever actually owns that platform must allow you to speak. That's self victimising imo, yes it's shitty that Owens had garbage thrown at her but next she's probably going to turn around and complain about some right wing fear monger being kicked off of YouTube. 

And what do you have to say about the victimization that left wing basically have monopoly?

Also complaining about social media biggotry and double standard isn't victimization. It is showing something that is really happening.

What the victimization that maybe conservatives shouldn't say trans people are mentally ill or that people on welfare aren't trying to screw you out of a tax cut or that we shouldn't try to ban all muslims from entering the country? Either way freedom of speech protects you from the government and it has nothing to do with people yelling at trump aids while they eat or whether or not you have a right to post conspiracy theories on YouTube. 



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irstupid on 07 August 2018
collint0101 said:
DonFerrari said:

So being throw garbage and showing it is self victimising?

Peple rallying and violenting protesting against Right Wing giving speeches on universities, invading classes of teachers of different opinions, etc are very much facist behavior.

Saying the left is violent after having garbage thrown at you is justified but complaining because YouTube or Spotify doesn't want to host Alex Jones and his nut job conspiracy theories is is not. The right needs to realize that no one is entitled to a platform when you're using someone else's site or going to someone else's college there is no law saying they whoever actually owns that platform must allow you to speak. That's self victimising imo, yes it's shitty that Owens had garbage thrown at her but next she's probably going to turn around and complain about some right wing fear monger being kicked off of YouTube. 

Are you saying that someone arguing that Alex Jones shouldn't be kicked off YouTube is just as bad as throwing garbage at someone eating food at a restaurant?



collint0101 on 07 August 2018
irstupid said:
collint0101 said:

Saying the left is violent after having garbage thrown at you is justified but complaining because YouTube or Spotify doesn't want to host Alex Jones and his nut job conspiracy theories is is not. The right needs to realize that no one is entitled to a platform when you're using someone else's site or going to someone else's college there is no law saying they whoever actually owns that platform must allow you to speak. That's self victimising imo, yes it's shitty that Owens had garbage thrown at her but next she's probably going to turn around and complain about some right wing fear monger being kicked off of YouTube. 

Are you saying that someone arguing that Alex Jones shouldn't be kicked off YouTube is just as bad as throwing garbage at someone eating food at a restaurant?

Nope my point is that the right likes to victimize itself and make it look like those big bad liberals are always out to get them. Owens having garbage thrown at her is shitty but so is this https://abc13.com/society/viral-video-woman-in-park-harassed-for-puerto-rico-shirt/3741072/ and I don't see many republicans talking about freedom of speech when shit like that happens



irstupid on 07 August 2018
collint0101 said:
irstupid said:

Are you saying that someone arguing that Alex Jones shouldn't be kicked off YouTube is just as bad as throwing garbage at someone eating food at a restaurant?

Nope my point is that the right likes to victimize itself and make it look like those big bad liberals are always out to get them. Owens having garbage thrown at her is shitty but so is this https://abc13.com/society/viral-video-woman-in-park-harassed-for-puerto-rico-shirt/3741072/ and I don't see many republicans talking about freedom of speech when shit like that happens

So Republicans are now bad because they aren't defending a man who harassed a woman?



Aeolus451 on 07 August 2018
MrWayne said:
thismeintiel said:

You don't have to hate a certain race to be fascist. It's just putting your nation above all others (even at the other countries detriment), while also being violently authoritative to your opposition and people. Taking control of business, banks, and religion. Antifa may not be about putting America above all other countries, but they sure as hell check off all the other qualifications. 
Aeolus451 said:

That's not fascism. 

"Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce"

Considering that antifa likes communism, socialism and anarchism, it makes sense they act the way they do. 

"Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"Since the emergence of fascism in Europe in the first half of the 20th century, the term "fascist" has frequently been used as a pejorative epithet against a wide range of individuals, political movements, governments, public and private institutions, including those that would not usually be classified as fascist in mainstream political science. It usually serves as an emotionally loaded substitute for authoritarian."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_(insult)

we should use the scientific definition of Fascism because otherwise the term becomes pretty meaningless. So the Antifa is not a fascist group.

Every moderate leftist person shouldn't sympathize with the Antifa, they are extremists and their goals don't justify their actions. Furthermore, the Antifa might not be the worst scum but always pointing out that there is even bigger scum, is downplaying their actions.

I gave the actual definition of it already. Both the left or right can be fascist. Most of the actual governments that fit the definition of fascism are communist or socialist. Some of that is written by left  leaning academics.

Antifa's beliefs and actions fits the definition of fascism better than the people they are against.They are against free speech completely. They use violence and intimidation against the people who they disagree with politically. Alot of them believe in communism.  Their name is oxymoronic and just serves as misdirection. 



collint0101 on 07 August 2018
Aeolus451 said:
MrWayne said:

"Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"Since the emergence of fascism in Europe in the first half of the 20th century, the term "fascist" has frequently been used as a pejorative epithet against a wide range of individuals, political movements, governments, public and private institutions, including those that would not usually be classified as fascist in mainstream political science. It usually serves as an emotionally loaded substitute for authoritarian."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_(insult)

we should use the scientific definition of Fascism because otherwise the term becomes pretty meaningless. So the Antifa is not a fascist group.

Every moderate leftist person shouldn't sympathize with the Antifa, they are extremists and their goals don't justify their actions. Furthermore, the Antifa might not be the worst scum but always pointing out that there is even bigger scum, is downplaying their actions.

I gave the actual definition of it already. Both the left or right can be fascist. Most of the actual governments that fit the definition of fascism are communist or socialist. Some of that is written by left  leaning academics.

Antifa's beliefs and actions fits the definition of fascism better than the people they are against.They are against free speech completely. They use violence and intimidation against the people who they disagree with politically. Alot of them believe in communism.  Their name is oxymoronic and just serves as misdirection. 

Both the right and left can be authoritarian but fascism is specific to the right just like stalinism is uniquely left wing