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collint0101 said:
Aeolus451 said:

I gave the actual definition of it already. Both the left or right can be fascist. Most of the actual governments that fit the definition of fascism are communist or socialist. Some of that is written by left  leaning academics.

Antifa's beliefs and actions fits the definition of fascism better than the people they are against.They are against free speech completely. They use violence and intimidation against the people who they disagree with politically. Alot of them believe in communism.  Their name is oxymoronic and just serves as misdirection. 

Both the right and left can be authoritarian but fascism is specific to the right just like stalinism is uniquely left wing

False.



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NYCrysis said:
melbye said:
Ugh Antifa, biggest scum out there. They might not be fascist, but they really love using their methods.

Nothing is scummier than a Nazi, kkk, alt right member. Antifa has killed ZERO PEOPLE TILL DATE. The alt right are the ones brandishing guns and goon squads as intimidation against those who oppose them, aka anyone not white and Christian. 

 

Where do you start with that?

one: this is at least intimating that any conservative is a Nazi, KKK, alt-right (what does alt-right even mean anyway and who publicly calls themselves this identity politic? All conservatives? These two individuals?)

two: Is this justification to advocate violence to unconfirmed radical conservatives (In NYCrysis's opinion; they are conservative, not alt-right?)

I don't give a crap what your political identity is - violence or even a hint of condoning it totally makes your point null and void and undermines any respect such a comment would demand. Waste of time arguing.

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NYCrysis said:
melbye said:
Ugh Antifa, biggest scum out there. They might not be fascist, but they really love using their methods.

Nothing is scummier than a Nazi, kkk, alt right member. Antifa has killed ZERO PEOPLE TILL DATE. The alt right are the ones brandishing guns and goon squads as intimidation against those who oppose them, aka anyone not white and Christian. 

don't you mean Christian and white?



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OdinHades said:

What people don't get about Antifa is that it's not an organization but simply a movement. Anyone can walk around with an Antifa logo. There's no hierarchy or anything. You can kinda compare it to anonymous. And yes, there are some gigantic idiots and assholes among those people with an Antifa flag. But the vast majority of Antifa acts peacefully. The problem is that you will never hear news about peaceful protests, because nobody gives a shit about that.

Discrediting the whole idea of Antifa because of some assholes is like saying everyone in the republican party is a nazi just because of one or two assholes in there who act like that.

Just wanted to leave that here. I still think Antifa is a good thing. We need resistance against each and every fascist movement.

uh... which fascist organisation is antifa opposing again?



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Aeolus451 said:
collint0101 said:

Both the right and left can be authoritarian but fascism is specific to the right just like stalinism is uniquely left wing

False.

Ok if fascism isn't correct title for far right extremism then what is? It's like you're trying to shift the blame of every evil ideology ever to the left in an attempt to make the right look better



DonFerrari said:
collint0101 said:

What the victimization that maybe conservatives shouldn't say trans people are mentally ill or that people on welfare aren't trying to screw you out of a tax cut or that we shouldn't try to ban all muslims from entering the country? Either way freedom of speech protects you from the government and it has nothing to do with people yelling at trump aids while they eat or whether or not you have a right to post conspiracy theories on YouTube. 

When you see the amount of transexual that reverse the surgery, or later decide they are transpecies, the much higher rate of suicide you can see that there is some room to investigate mental disorder.

But you totally gone sideways to avoid acknowledging the amount of victimization done by left wing when any failure is quickly justified with "it's because I'm black, gay, woman, etc" never because the person wasn't good enough for what he was trying.

irstupid said:

Are you saying we shoudl be condemning that guys actions. Marching on the streets and creating topics after topics on how horrible that guy is?

Why? He didn't get away with it. He is under suspension and investigation and should get charged with something. There is no need to cry when punishment is being dealt. No on is praising what he did. 

In this Antifa case, there is no punishment. They are getting away scott free and likely many people are praising what they did. 

Imagine your in school and two kids both spit in the teachers face. One kid gets sent to detention and nothing happens to the other kid. Why is it surprising that we would cause a fuss over the kid that didn't get punished? The other kid got punished, hopefully he learnt his lesson and will not do it again. But why does the other kid get off scott free? 

That is why we are angry when we see things like this, or other "protests". How often is there violence, destruction, looting, attacking police and so on and at the end of the day hardly anyone is arrested and any that are get released a day later with no punishment. 

I don't care what the persons race, sex, religion, party, group or anythign they are a part of. If a group of KKK members burn a cop car, or Antifa members burn a cop car, they should both be arrested and given the same punishment for that crime.

So many times I feel like I'm watching the scene from It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia where Frank asks who is looting or surviving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_Om13VpQw

Because it doesn't matter what you do, but who you are and why you are doing... when you are left wing and you hate and destroy it's with love.

collint0101 said:

The cops were there and they handled the situation. What more do you want? Owens and whoever she was with didn't even press charges they just went on a Twitter rant 

Seems like his point flow over your head over 30000ft and 700mph.

Because the right has never hated or destroyed anything. The modern right is really entrenched in this idea that nothing bad as ever come from conservative ideology



collint0101 said:
DonFerrari said:

And what do you have to say about the victimization that left wing basically have monopoly?

Also complaining about social media biggotry and double standard isn't victimization. It is showing something that is really happening.

What the victimization that maybe conservatives shouldn't say trans people are mentally ill or that people on welfare aren't trying to screw you out of a tax cut or that we shouldn't try to ban all muslims from entering the country? Either way freedom of speech protects you from the government and it has nothing to do with people yelling at trump aids while they eat or whether or not you have a right to post conspiracy theories on YouTube. 

people say trans people are mentally ill because of shit like this

 

and i could go on and on and on...

 

"that people on welfare aren't trying to screw you out of a tax cut"

uh... doesn't welfare come from taxes? so isn't that kind of right?



collint0101 said:
Aeolus451 said:

False.

Ok if fascism isn't correct title for far right extremism then what is? It's like you're trying to shift the blame of every evil ideology ever to the left in an attempt to make the right look better

uh... so you are telling me that if a communist government suppresses opposition within its country(as they always do often leading to millions upon millions of deaths) then its not facist?



 

 

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CaptainExplosion said:

So instead you'd rather the rise of Nazi-like sociopaths who get away with murder constantly?

You'd rather Neo-Nazis, KKK and Westboro Baptist Church keep harassing minorities and the next of kin of dead soldiers?

Is that the world you want?

If yes, then why don't we all just go out and start burning down synagogues, hanging people for being black, bashing a gay man's head in with a baseball bat, or throw stones at Muslims? Because hey, fighting back against people who do so is bad for some reason, herpa doy!!

I can't think of any case where Nazi-like sociopaths have gotten away with murder in a very long world

And for the world i want, i want a world were authoritarians are gone so normal people, liberal or conservative, can disagree and still get along

Well the KKK are white trash who haven't been taken out despite all their hate crimes, and neither have the Neo-Nazis.

How does freedom of speech not go with freedom from persecution?