Aeolus451 said:
False. |
Ok if fascism isn't correct title for far right extremism then what is? It's like you're trying to shift the blame of every evil ideology ever to the left in an attempt to make the right look better
Aeolus451 said:
False. |
Ok if fascism isn't correct title for far right extremism then what is? It's like you're trying to shift the blame of every evil ideology ever to the left in an attempt to make the right look better
DonFerrari said:
When you see the amount of transexual that reverse the surgery, or later decide they are transpecies, the much higher rate of suicide you can see that there is some room to investigate mental disorder. But you totally gone sideways to avoid acknowledging the amount of victimization done by left wing when any failure is quickly justified with "it's because I'm black, gay, woman, etc" never because the person wasn't good enough for what he was trying.
Because it doesn't matter what you do, but who you are and why you are doing... when you are left wing and you hate and destroy it's with love.
Seems like his point flow over your head over 30000ft and 700mph. |
Because the right has never hated or destroyed anything. The modern right is really entrenched in this idea that nothing bad as ever come from conservative ideology
collint0101 said:
What the victimization that maybe conservatives shouldn't say trans people are mentally ill or that people on welfare aren't trying to screw you out of a tax cut or that we shouldn't try to ban all muslims from entering the country? Either way freedom of speech protects you from the government and it has nothing to do with people yelling at trump aids while they eat or whether or not you have a right to post conspiracy theories on YouTube. |
people say trans people are mentally ill because of shit like this
and i could go on and on and on...
"that people on welfare aren't trying to screw you out of a tax cut"
uh... doesn't welfare come from taxes? so isn't that kind of right?
collint0101 said:
Ok if fascism isn't correct title for far right extremism then what is? It's like you're trying to shift the blame of every evil ideology ever to the left in an attempt to make the right look better |
uh... so you are telling me that if a communist government suppresses opposition within its country(as they always do often leading to millions upon millions of deaths) then its not facist?
Seeing a good chunk of liberals actually defend some of the actions of Antifa (or at the very least shrug it off) is pretty scary to me and shows just how far the modern left have drifted off the reservation of late. Call conservatives what you want, and yes they can have some backwards, narrow-minded ideas in some cases, but I can't recall hearing or reading about a single one of them condoning or empathizing with Neo Nazis, the KKK, or other extreme hate groups (and let me make this clear, this is EXACTLY what Antifa is). Their bs name "Anti" Fascist and the fact that they hide under the fake guise of phony social justice to act like bullies doesn't change this fact.
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o_O.Q said:
uh... so you are telling me that if a communist government suppresses opposition within its country(as they always do often leading to millions upon millions of deaths) then its not facist? |
No because its communist which isn't the same thing as fascism. Both communism and fascism are authoritarianism but one is left wing authoritarianism and the other is right wing.
collint0101 said:
No because its communist which isn't the same thing as fascism. Both communism and fascism are authoritarianism but one is left wing authoritarianism and the other is right wing. |
"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce"
uh so what is suppression of opposition, government control of economy etc etc etc called on the leftist side in your view?
with your definition it kind of seems like this fascism thing doesn't really exist at all... so what the hell are those antifa people fighting?
Antifa is the closest thing to the Nazi brown-shirts since the actual Nazi brown-shirts. It's a sad joke that they think that everybody who disagrees with them are the Nazis. It really just shows the degree of mind control that they are under.
o_O.Q said:
"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce" uh so what is suppression of opposition, government control of economy etc etc etc called on the leftist side in your view?
with your definition it kind of seems like this fascism thing doesn't really exist at all... so what the hell are those antifa people fighting? |
Even in your heavily simplified definition it still mentions nationalism. Nationalism isn't left wing, you could even go as far to argue that hardline communist are anti nationalism. Even then that ignores the fact that racial superioriy is not Marxist and the strong ties between businessmen and the Nazi party which is super not Marxist. It's always been said that once you start looking at the extremes of both sides everything wraps back around and looks pretty similar but at the same time lumping fascism in with leftist ideology simply isn't correct.
DonFerrari said: When you see the amount of transexual that reverse the surgery, or later decide they are transpecies, the much higher rate of suicide you can see that there is some room to investigate mental disorder. But you totally gone sideways to avoid acknowledging the amount of victimization done by left wing when any failure is quickly justified with "it's because I'm black, gay, woman, etc" never because the person wasn't good enough for what he was trying. |
Transexual is not a mental disorder.
Homosexuals also have a much higher rate of suicide.
When you are a minority that constantly suffers from other people whinging about you, criticizing you, making false claims about you, attacking you (Verbally and/or Physically), then obviously mental health issues will become more prevalent. - I have lost count on the amount of training I have had on mental health and LGBTQI issues... And I can happily say you are very wrong.
Treat them with respect like any other human being... At the end of the day, we all bleed the same colour of blood.
And with that in mind... This isn't the correct thread for this topic anyway.
collint0101 said:
Nope my point is that the right likes to victimize itself and make it look like those big bad liberals are always out to get them. Owens having garbage thrown at her is shitty but so is this https://abc13.com/society/viral-video-woman-in-park-harassed-for-puerto-rico-shirt/3741072/ and I don't see many republicans talking about freedom of speech when shit like that happens |
The left and right are just as bad as each other.
Both pretend they are the victims, both can spew hatred and intolerance, both have extremists, both have conspiracy theorists, both can limit basic rights and freedoms.
I think peoples constant back and forth arguing about whether the left or the right being "worse" than the other is pretty pointless, history is littered with bad precedents from both camps.
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