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GOWTLOZ said:

Funny because Antifa IS garbage, so they must be throwing themselves on conservatives.

Anyone defending this is garbage as well.

As OdinHades already stated:

"Antifa is that it's not an organization but simply a movement. Anyone can walk around with an Antifa logo. There's no hierarchy or anything. You can kinda compare it to anonymous. And yes, there are some gigantic idiots and assholes among those people with an Antifa flag. But the vast majority of Antifa acts peacefully. The problem is that you will never hear news about peaceful protests, because nobody gives a shit about that. "

Please be aware of how groupthought warps your perception of reality.  Elevate your thinking for a minute because too often when people make comments on articles or stoies, there reactions are not real and informed,  They are simply regurgitations of someone's idea of what YOU should think. 



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WhatATimeToBeAlive said:
Aeolus451 said:

That's what the left likes to do. Anyway. Fascism is one of the correct terms for both the extreme far right and far left. Both can become authoritarian governments run by dictators who use force to silent their opposition and control their people.

People on the left promote tolerance and freedom. Name even one authoritarian government/dictator that promotes tolerance and freedom. And a bullshit answer that Soviet Union/North Korea are on the left is just a bullshit answer since they are even more anti-tolerance/anti-freedom than Nazi Germany was. And what's equally as bullshit is that idiotic whining/argument that "Those leftist are so racist because they don't let me be racist". No shit? How could they even be anti-racist if they would just say that "Be as racist as you want. We let all the flowers grow."

😂 FML That shit is funny. That's just a slogan for anyone gullible enough to believe that.  It's as true as NK being a democracy. They are left wing because they believe in and follow communism to some degree. Antifa doesn't act like they believe in tolerance and freedom. A good bit of the left doesn't seem that tolerant of people who disagree with them or diversity of the mind. Maxine Waters doesn't look like she believes in those things either. Recently, they voted to remove Trump's Hollywood star off the street. Very tolerate.



WhatATimeToBeAlive said:
Aeolus451 said:

That's what the left likes to do. Anyway. Fascism is one of the correct terms for both the extreme far right and far left. Both can become authoritarian governments run by dictators who use force to silent their opposition and control their people.

People on the left promote tolerance and freedom. Name even one authoritarian government/dictator that promotes tolerance and freedom. And a bullshit answer that Soviet Union/North Korea are on the left is just a bullshit answer since they are even more anti-tolerance/anti-freedom than Nazi Germany was. And what's equally as bullshit is that idiotic whining/argument that "Those leftist are so racist because they don't let me be racist". No shit? How could they even be anti-racist if they would just say that "Be as racist as you want. We let all the flowers grow."

So you want to argue that Communism isn't a left-wing ideology because how authoritarian it is?

Best of luck with that.



WhatATimeToBeAlive said:
Aeolus451 said:

That's what the left likes to do. Anyway. Fascism is one of the correct terms for both the extreme far right and far left. Both can become authoritarian governments run by dictators who use force to silent their opposition and control their people.

People on the left promote tolerance and freedom. Name even one authoritarian government/dictator that promotes tolerance and freedom. And a bullshit answer that Soviet Union/North Korea are on the left is just a bullshit answer since they are even more anti-tolerance/anti-freedom than Nazi Germany was. And what's equally as bullshit is that idiotic whining/argument that "Those leftist are so racist because they don't let me be racist". No shit? How could they even be anti-racist if they would just say that "Be as racist as you want. We let all the flowers grow."

"People on the left promote tolerance and freedom. "

no what people on the left promote is equality and what people on the right promote is hierarchy

both doctrines are good and must be balanced to have a proper society while acknowledging that a society can never be perfect no matter what methods you use

the problem occurs when either side takes their particular doctrine too far and this results in intolerance and trampling of rights in different ways

 

i don't believe i have to explain this but a doctrine that promotes equality over all when taken too far can obviously result in intolerance and loss of freedom rights?

because people are inherently different... so... how do you narrow down the differences between them? by imposing laws that restrict their ability to express their differences

we saw that in its most extreme form in the soviet union, communist china etc etc etc where millions died 

to state that the leftist doctrine can only be good and that there's no corrupt element inherent in it is so exceedingly ignorant that i almost can't believe i read what you posted



SuaveSocialist said:
Immersiveunreality said:

1.Because you defended him without seemingly knowing motives.

2.You did not ask questions 

1. So you are asking me why NYCrisis chose to correct melbye's error...because I didn't know what motivated NYCrisis when he chose to correct melbye's error.  I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.

I note that you did not point out where NYCrisis mentioned anything about what's acceptable.

2. My questions were in my previous reply and you failed to answer either of them rationally.

You failed to begin a decent argument by defending someone that again points fingers at more extreme terms on the other political side to lighten what happens on the left side while it has nothing to do with the topic at hand at all.

But of course if you think that was a "correction" you probably just don't care about that.



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Immersiveunreality said:
SuaveSocialist said:

1. So you are asking me why NYCrisis chose to correct melbye's error...because I didn't know what motivated NYCrisis when he chose to correct melbye's error.  I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.

I note that you did not point out where NYCrisis mentioned anything about what's acceptable.

2. My questions were in my previous reply and you failed to answer either of them rationally.

You failed to begin a decent argument

Dooooooon't caaaaaaaare.

Get back to me when you have rational answers to my questions.



Aeolus451 said:
WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

People on the left promote tolerance and freedom. Name even one authoritarian government/dictator that promotes tolerance and freedom. And a bullshit answer that Soviet Union/North Korea are on the left is just a bullshit answer since they are even more anti-tolerance/anti-freedom than Nazi Germany was. And what's equally as bullshit is that idiotic whining/argument that "Those leftist are so racist because they don't let me be racist". No shit? How could they even be anti-racist if they would just say that "Be as racist as you want. We let all the flowers grow."

😂 FML That shit is funny. That's just a slogan for anyone gullible enough to believe that.  It's as true as NK being a democracy. They are left wing because they believe in and follow communism to some degree. Antifa doesn't act like they believe in tolerance and freedom. A good bit of the left doesn't seem that tolerant of people who disagree with them or diversity of the mind. Maxine Waters doesn't look like she believes in those things either. Recently, they voted to remove Trump's Hollywood star off the street. Very tolerate.

Could you then tell me what anti-tolerance/anti-freedom policies does the left promote? And like I said, that "They are racists because they don't let me be racist" argument is one of the most idiotict and hypocritical arguments you can make. "Voted to remove Trump's Hollowood star". Do you think that has anything to do with the fact that Trump doesn't promote tolerance? They want to tighten gun control. How big of a "crime against humanity" do you think that is? The only differance between facism and communism in they way they have been implemented is how they treat private business/property. They don't have anything to do with tolerance and freedom, and neither doesn't far-right. Far-right is actually leaning more towards communism than majority of the left with their anti-globalism and "support only domestic companies".



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potato_hamster said:
WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

People on the left promote tolerance and freedom. Name even one authoritarian government/dictator that promotes tolerance and freedom. And a bullshit answer that Soviet Union/North Korea are on the left is just a bullshit answer since they are even more anti-tolerance/anti-freedom than Nazi Germany was. And what's equally as bullshit is that idiotic whining/argument that "Those leftist are so racist because they don't let me be racist". No shit? How could they even be anti-racist if they would just say that "Be as racist as you want. We let all the flowers grow."

So you want to argue that Communism isn't a left-wing ideology because how authoritarian it is?

Best of luck with that.

The only differance between facism and communism in they way they have been implemented is how they treat private business/property. They don't have anything to do with tolerance and freedom, and neither doesn't far-right. On the other hand tolerance and freedom are the core values of the left. Or don't you agree? I wasn't sure if your comment suggested that. Far-right is actually leaning more towards communism than majority of the left with their anti-globalism and "support only domestic companies".



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Well they are fascists, and need to be dealt with by serious force. (Cough, you americans have guns).



o_O.Q said:
WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

People on the left promote tolerance and freedom. Name even one authoritarian government/dictator that promotes tolerance and freedom. And a bullshit answer that Soviet Union/North Korea are on the left is just a bullshit answer since they are even more anti-tolerance/anti-freedom than Nazi Germany was. And what's equally as bullshit is that idiotic whining/argument that "Those leftist are so racist because they don't let me be racist". No shit? How could they even be anti-racist if they would just say that "Be as racist as you want. We let all the flowers grow."

"People on the left promote tolerance and freedom. "

no what people on the left promote is equality and what people on the right promote is hierarchy

both doctrines are good and must be balanced to have a proper society while acknowledging that a society can never be perfect no matter what methods you use

the problem occurs when either side takes their particular doctrine too far and this results in intolerance and trampling of rights in different ways

 

i don't believe i have to explain this but a doctrine that promotes equality over all when taken too far can obviously result in intolerance and loss of freedom rights?

because people are inherently different... so... how do you narrow down the differences between them? by imposing laws that restrict their ability to express their differences

we saw that in its most extreme form in the soviet union, communist china etc etc etc where millions died 

to state that the leftist doctrine can only be good and that there's no corrupt element inherent in it is so exceedingly ignorant that i almost can't believe i read what you posted

"The problem occurs when either side takes their particular doctrine too far and this results in intolerance and trampling of rights in different ways."

I agree with that, but equality is still much better than hierarchy. And equality has never been implimented 100%. Hierarchy on the other hand often leads to shitty/deathly result. 

"We saw that in its most extreme form in the soviet union, communist china etc etc etc where millions died." How are the people equal in a dictatorship were the few are on the top and the rest are practically slaves?   



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