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NightDragon83 said: 
OdinHades said: 

What people don't get about Antifa is that it's not an organization but simply a movement. Anyone can walk around with an Antifa logo. There's no hierarchy or anything. You can kinda compare it to anonymous. And yes, there are some gigantic idiots and assholes among those people with an Antifa flag. But the vast majority of Antifa acts peacefully. The problem is that you will never hear news about peaceful protests, because nobody gives a shit about that. 

Discrediting the whole idea of Antifa because of some assholes is like saying everyone in the republican party is a nazi just because of one or two assholes in there who act like that.

Just wanted to leave that here. I still think Antifa is a good thing. We need resistance against each and every fascist movement.

It's hilarious how people constantly defend Antifa and similar far left groups by saying that it's just a few bad apples making them look bad and that the vast majority of them are peaceful, when you can literally make the same argument for members of far right groups like neo-Nazis / KKK / white supremacists. 

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While the majority of people in those groups may be peaceful in their actions, they are following ideas that lead directly to the harm of other people, which is reason enough to stand up against them. Antifa at its core does not pursuit to bring harm to any human being. It's sad that some people misuse Antifa for that, but the idea behind it is still a good thing. At least in my opinion. I can't say that about neo-nazis, KKK or white supremacists.

DonFerrari said:
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And where is the vast majority of these Antifa condemning the acts of these few guys?

Guess is the same with all the other movements that use the same excuse but never stand up against these so called few bad apples.

I will happily condemn these actions of those individuals. But I can only speak for myself. I did nothing to defend it in any way. The only thing I defended was the idea behind Antifa. And for the record, yes, I consider myself to be part of Antifa. I participated in a lot of actions against the german parties AfD and NPD around here. They were all peaceful and nobody was harmed. 



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OdinHades said:
NightDragon83 said: 

It's hilarious how people constantly defend Antifa and similar far left groups by saying that it's just a few bad apples making them look bad and that the vast majority of them are peaceful, when you can literally make the same argument for members of far right groups like neo-Nazis / KKK / white supremacists. 

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While the majority of people in those groups may be peaceful in their actions, they are following ideas that lead directly to the harm of other people, which is reason enough to stand up against them. Antifa at its core does not pursuit to bring harm to any human being. It's sad that some people misuse Antifa for that, but the idea behind it is still a good thing. At least in my opinion. I can't say that about neo-nazis, KKK or white supremacists.

DonFerrari said:
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And where is the vast majority of these Antifa condemning the acts of these few guys?

Guess is the same with all the other movements that use the same excuse but never stand up against these so called few bad apples.

I will happily condemn these actions of those individuals. But I can only speak for myself. I did nothing to defend it in any way. The only thing I defended was the idea behind Antifa. And for the record, yes, I consider myself to be part of Antifa. I participated in a lot of actions against the german parties AfD and NPD around here. They were all peaceful and nobody was harmed. 

Cares to post sources for the massive condemnation of Antifa bad actions by several Antifa peacefull people in public spaces?



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DonFerrari said:
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Cares to post sources for the massive condemnation of Antifa bad actions by several Antifa peacefull people in public spaces?

Have you even read what I just posted?



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Sadly stuff like ANTIFA does is condoned by quite a lot of people. They have free reign in Portland. It won't be long before its state by state as nothing is done about them.

That shit wouldn't go on in every state like it does in Portland lol. If portland won't do anything then move, let them rot in their own piss and shit. None of them work so they will leave eventually to become a parasite on some other city. Then you move back to portland at dirt cheap rates, profit.



OdinHades said:
DonFerrari said:
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Cares to post sources for the massive condemnation of Antifa bad actions by several Antifa peacefull people in public spaces?

Have you even read what I just posted?

Yes, you don't support it. Had you read the post you replied with that though?

You say majority of antifa is peacefull, and where are this majority publically condemning the act? Because from your post I could infer that the minority (beeing you) is peaceful and condemn the act.

That even goes to other people saying they do all ruckus and go unchecked and even defended by politicians... and these are defending the violent acts not the Idea of antifacism.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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Bristow9091 said:
I still don't even fully understand who or what Antifa is... but anyone that resorts to harassment to try and make statements and push agendas gets no respect from me.

They are basically a group who opposes Facism like Neo-Nazi's, but they believe they should use violence against those who use/promote violence.
Antifa wouldn't exist if right-wing facists didn't exist... And as right-wing neo-nazi's gain more prominence, then so does Antifa to counter them.

Both sides should be heavily condemned for such childish behavior, it's unacceptable.

DarthMetalliCube said:
Anyone who sympathizes with these assholes in any form or fashion loses all of my respect. These people are straight up terrorists, and despite how much they act like they are "against" Fascism, they are actually Fascist themselves. They are all that is wrong with humanity, and one step away from the likes of Isis, the KKK, and Neo Nazis.

Well... No. They aren't facists, they share some similarity however.
In the end though... The farther left and right you go, the more they are the same.

melbye said:

The alt-right, these "Nazis" you are so afraid of has no supporters outside their small group, Antifa on the other hand has support from media and politicians and that makes them more dangerous because no one is stopping them(unless someone pays hundreds of thousands of dollars).

Antifa isn't that much larger than the "Nazi" groups. It's not even really an organized organization... In that they are similar to Anonymous.



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DonFerrari said:
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You say majority of antifa is peacefull, and where are this majority publically condemning the act? Because from your post I could infer that the minority (beeing you) is peaceful and condemn the act.

That even goes to other people saying they do all ruckus and go unchecked and even defended by politicians... and these are defending the violent acts not the Idea of antifacism.

Biggest problem would be that the majority of Antifa never gets asked. I can only provide anecdotal evidence, but I know just two people who actually think violence is a legit tool for Antifa to use (although to my knowledge, they didn't ever use violence). I can't count the number of people who think otherwise. Antifa also can't publicly condemn the act, because as I said, it's not an organization. There is no spokesperson or whatever who can speak for Antifa. You can only speak for yourself and you're just a part of it. So if some asshole on TV defends this kinda shit, he's not talking for me or my buddies, he's just talking for himself.

I'll be perfectly honest with you, I don't follow the news about Antifa all that much, so I haven't heard of anyone defending those kinda actions. If that happens, that's not ok. But you still shouldn't project that to the whole movement. But just out of curiosity, who is defending such actions? 



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melbye said:
Ugh Antifa, biggest scum out there. They might not be fascist, but they really love using their methods.

So instead you'd rather the rise of Nazi-like sociopaths who get away with murder constantly?

You'd rather Neo-Nazis, KKK and Westboro Baptist Church keep harassing minorities and the next of kin of dead soldiers?

Is that the world you want?

If yes, then why don't we all just go out and start burning down synagogues, hanging people for being black, bashing a gay man's head in with a baseball bat, or throw stones at Muslims? Because hey, fighting back against people who do so is bad for some reason, herpa doy!!



OdinHades said:
DonFerrari said:
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You say majority of antifa is peacefull, and where are this majority publically condemning the act? Because from your post I could infer that the minority (beeing you) is peaceful and condemn the act.

That even goes to other people saying they do all ruckus and go unchecked and even defended by politicians... and these are defending the violent acts not the Idea of antifacism.

Biggest problem would be that the majority of Antifa never gets asked. I can only provide anecdotal evidence, but I know just two people who actually think violence is a legit tool for Antifa to use (although to my knowledge, they didn't ever use violence). I can't count the number of people who think otherwise. Antifa also can't publicly condemn the act, because as I said, it's not an organization. There is no spokesperson or whatever who can speak for Antifa. You can only speak for yourself and you're just a part of it. So if some asshole on TV defends this kinda shit, he's not talking for me or my buddies, he's just talking for himself.

I'll be perfectly honest with you, I don't follow the news about Antifa all that much, so I haven't heard of anyone defending those kinda actions. If that happens, that's not ok. But you still shouldn't project that to the whole movement. But just out of curiosity, who is defending such actions? 

Well we have facebook for example. Never see any of my several contacts that are left wing ever condeming violent speech and action of any left wing movement whatsoever. And when you ask them they will say those are valid reaction to the oppresion they suffer.

You can look on this very thread some people thinking it more or less acceptable.

In Brazil we had the "black blocks" (similar movement in action) and it got sponsored by majority of actors, musicians and several left wing politicians. I could bet if you look on USA you'll see public figure heads defending the violence they do.

I wouldn't ever frame the whole movement (same for black or woman and being violent and against white and man), but the so called "minuscule minority" that suposedly is very vocal and can get platform to show it isn't ever publically condemned by those majority of the movement that is good people.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

The line is crossed when it comes to actual violence imo. I'm all for trump, his administration and even major conservative voices being called out in public for their backwards bs but throwing garbage at people just gives ammo to these people who are just itching for an opportunity to say "the left are the real fascists" or some other self victimising garbage