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Do you think the people praising the Switch's library are hypocrites for not praising/not buying the Wii U's library?

Nah, the Wii U Sucks. 23 58.97%
 
HYPOCRITES! Justice for the Wii U! 16 41.03%
 
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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Shaunodon said:

You missed the point, but whatever.

I'm sure to a peasant like me it's hard to comprehend your level of critique. I apologize. 

Is it that difficult for you to simply say "woops" and move on?
Don't be so petty all the time.



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Shaunodon said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I'm sure to a peasant like me it's hard to comprehend your level of critique. I apologize. 

Is it that difficult for you to simply say "woops" and move on?
Don't be so petty all the time.

You --> "I'm sure that's an honest mistake, but I cracked up so much I couldn't read any further."

Also you -->"Don't be so petty all the time."

:thinking: uhhh ... not sure that follows through, chief 



irstupid said:

I thought he was highlighting what was bolded. You know the part about instead of stating their own opinions - attack the opinions of others, and make silly generalizations

Considering your post didn't have any points, but just generalizations about how his arguments were not good. Were not good how?

That's a fair way of looking at it, sure. I'm going to bring up a few reasons why I personally do not feel that is hypocritical or ironic.

I don't put my guesstimation of what the contents of an Arlo video are up to the same standard as someone trying to make video replies to people on the internet as part of his job. If I had the same platform as Arlo, and I literally just stated what I wrote in my comment in a short 2 minute video? Sure, that's pretty much clear cut hypocrisy. However, I do not have the same platform as Arlo, and I know that my opinion to something he said is ultimately irrelevant to just about any discussion relating to his channel. I think that saying what he said in that quote after 2 or 3 videos of doing the same thing that's in that quote is pretty hypocritical. But I don't think I hold myself to that same standard, not just because people expect less out of a random forum post then a video, but for more reasons as well. 

To be clear, the whole point of my post was that I didn't watch the video, I was literally guessing what Arlo's video was like. So defining that part of my comment as a "generalization" and thus hypocritical is kind of missing the point, because anything that's a guess is going to be a generalization in the grand scheme of things compared to the specific reply you could make to the literal contents of the video. That's not "hypocrisy" - it's a literal guess, based on someones continuous use of low-hanging fruit and bad arguments to make video replies to morons on the internet, of what the contents of the video was like. I ended up being right, but there wasn't much more to add other than I feel these videos are very cheap. You're basically saying that the comment is hypocritical because of the entire idea of the comment, which is just missing the point a bit, I feel. The fact that I didn't feel any different after I watched the full video, then I did when I was writing the first two paragraphs of my comment, speaks for itself. That point couldn't be made without a guess, which is always going to be a generalization. In other words, the generalization is the entire point. 

That being said, I did watch the video by the time I wrote the third paragraph. The problem is, calling these videos cheap isn't the same thing as disagreeing. So there's no reason for me to make ultra-specific essay listing all the things I disagree with. I don't disagree with what he says on paper, I just find the whole idea of it problematic. So yes, the comment is going to be general, because frankly it would be beating a dead horse to write an essay about my gripes with these kind of videos. 

Anyways, you can think I was being hypocritical if you want. Surely wouldn't be the first time I've made a mistake. I just think Arlo is a very good content creator, so it's sad seeing stuff like this. Not the end of the world, just a bit disappointing. This is way more than I would have ever wanted to write about a video, by the way xD 



One nitpick I have about Arlo and other Nintendo youtubers. They keep calling Super Mario Galaxy a "sandbox game" -- which it is not. It may have some very basic sandbox elements; I'd say lower than basic. If you are going to class it as a sandbox, then it should be compared to other sandbox games based on the sandbox elements -- and when you do that, it turns out Super Mario Odyssey is very shitty sandbox game compared to Minecraft, Dwarf Fortress, and the plethora of sandbox games that they inspired.

The real attraction to Super Mario Odyssey is the simplistic accessible level design that draws the player through the game in addition to the very high quality presentation, and it's the first Mario game since Galaxy 2 to really take it to this level.


As for the Wii U vs. Switch. Bottom line is the Wii U was not a very good console. It had a poor concept, it was ugly/clunky, its OS was garbage, and the concept of asymmetric gameplay is nowhere near as interesting as the Switch or the Wii before it. It wasn't just the software droughts on Wii U either, the Wii U had a ton of software at launch, much more than the Switch, but no one wanted to play those games on it, they would prefer to play them on Wii, Xbox 360, and PS3 - which is very much unlike the Wii and Switch launches - each also had lots of ports - but those ports sold and they sold hardware because people were interested in playing them on those consoles.

It was an uninteresting console, and its shortcomings and lack of appeal are obvious. As N64 and 3DS proved, even great software can only do so much to help sell a console that has taken too many wrong directions... and the N64 got some things right - 4 ports, analog, rumble... but analog was too fragile/lacking durability, and the controller itself was unappealing; the rumble pack as a separate battery powered add-on wasn't as good as all other implementations. The biggest flaw of the N64 were the expensive cartridges that lacked the advantages of disks. Similarly the Wii U did one thing right, a portable screen - but the fact that it could go no more than 10 meters was shit; and then almost everything else about it was a step in the wrong direction, too many such steps.

 

 

Anyway, to demonstrate why the same games on Switch are SUPERIOR to their iterations on Wii U. Mario Kart 8, limited to home play, and pretty much alone on Wii U. On Switch, you can take it everywhere, you can play up to 12-player local at the workplace, and if you don't have 12, then you can go into an online multiplayer game with the players you do have; so you might have 4 local players connected online to the same tracks against 8 other online players (or 8 local and 4 online opponents); you get the best of local and online multiplayer at the same time. Mario Kart 8 on Wii U is a 7.5/10 do to its poor multiplayer, but on Switch it's a 9.5 due to it having the best multiplayer of any Mario Kart game ever - and Mario Kart has always been about the local multiplayer. Smash Bros will be the same thing.

Last edited by Jumpin - on 25 June 2018

I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

I own both a Wii U and a Switch.  Switch is already far better.  Here are some reasons I can see people choosing Switch over Wii U.

 

1) Switch already has much better third party support than the Wii U had.
2) Switch is a full portable console.  Not only is the portability nice, but even if I want to play it handheld at home, I can play every single game.  Wii U could only play a minority of games on the tablet.
3) Nintendo took WIi U off the market when the Switch released, because they wanted new customers to get the Switch Zelda instead of the Wii U version.  The Wii U version was more for people who already had a Wii U.
4) Wii U never got a serious price drop that a lot of consoles get at the end of their life.  A lot of people may have paid $150 - $200 to play the Wii U, but they never got a chance.
5) Switch is new and current and still has years left to get lots of new (non port) games.  This is in addition to all of the ports which includes most of the Wii U's first party library. 



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Jumpin said:

One nitpick I have about Arlo and other Nintendo youtubers. They keep calling Super Mario Galaxy a "sandbox game" -- which it is not. 

Didn't he say something about there not being a sandbox Mario since Sunshine, in one of his videos? Sure, wish Arlo was still an active member here. 



Wii U had a great lineup of third party games, it just happened that it was a bad console to play them on. If you swapped out the Switch hardware for the Wii U and gave it the exact same games as the Wii U launch, the Switch would have been GIGANTICALLY successful because portable versions of Assassin's Creed 3, Arkham City, Fifa 13, Black Ops 2, Mass Effect 3, Trine 2, and everything else would have been significantly more popular than the limitations and chunkiness the Wii U put on those games. Not to mention Assassin's Creed 3 with motion controls and HD rumble would have been an awesome experience.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Jumpin said:
Wii U had a great lineup of third party games, it just happened that it was a bad console to play them on. If you swapped out the Switch hardware for the Wii U and gave it the exact same games as the Wii U launch, the Switch would have been GIGANTICALLY successful because portable versions of Assassin's Creed 3, Arkham City, Fifa 13, Black Ops 2, Mass Effect 3, Trine 2, and everything else would have been significantly more popular than the limitations and chunkiness the Wii U put on those games. Not to mention Assassin's Creed 3 with motion controls and HD rumble would have been an awesome experience.

Wii U had the best version of Deus Ex: Human Revolution, which was the best 3rd party game on the system.

I'd love a Deus Ex pack for Switch too.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Jumpin said:

One nitpick I have about Arlo and other Nintendo youtubers. They keep calling Super Mario Galaxy a "sandbox game" -- which it is not. 

Didn't he say something about there not being a sandbox Mario since Sunshine, in one of his videos? Sure, wish Arlo was still an active member here. 

Could be, I didn't listen to the video, just read the commentary (as I don't have audio at the moment). So if I got his argument wrong, then you can nix that and apply it to those other youtubers that keep trying to push "Odyssey is a sandbox game and that's why its awesome" angle. It's silly, and it seems to come from Gamecube apologist channels like Commonwealth Realm. The reason being that they keep drawing parallels between Sunshine and Odyssey, and try to pretend that Sunshine was the last great Mario game because it was the last Mario game which was a sandbox; the "Gamecube didn't deserve to fail and Wii didn't deserve to succeed" apologetics are so transparent on sites like Commonwealth Realm that it's laughable.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Jumpin said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Didn't he say something about there not being a sandbox Mario since Sunshine, in one of his videos? Sure, wish Arlo was still an active member here. 

Could be, I didn't listen to the video, just read the commentary (as I don't have audio at the moment). So if I got his argument wrong, then you can nix that and apply it to those other youtubers that keep trying to push "Odyssey is a sandbox game and that's why its awesome" angle. It's silly, and it seems to come from Gamecube apologist channels like Commonwealth Realm. The reason being that they keep drawing parallels between Sunshine and Odyssey, and try to pretend that Sunshine was the last great Mario game because it was the last Mario game which was a sandbox; the "Gamecube didn't deserve to fail and Wii didn't deserve to succeed" apologetics are so transparent on sites like Commonwealth Realm that it's laughable.

Many people love the Galaxy games. Sunshine was the last 3d Mario Game that was as open as 64. And that game released 16 years ago.