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Can someone please explain to me who owns this site, how Talon and Trucks fit in, who exactly is in charge day-to-day, and provide whatever other "org chart" type info seems appropriate?



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TalonMan said:
...I fixed the 'Friend Request' thing.

'night guys...

! Thanks :) Was legit annoying having the permanent !, and it sucked not being able to officially friend my newest friend.



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Machina said:
A nice sentiment VGP, but I don't think it'd change anything. Plenty of us have already let him know how we feel but he seems decided on not returning. In hindsight we should've created a curator/buffer between the community and Talon, but I didn't realise he was feeling disenchanted with the community until it was too late :(

Wasn't that like the first thing that was suggested when the first issues arose? And then again. And Again. And again....



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VAMatt said:
Can someone please explain to me who owns this site, how Talon and Trucks fit in, who exactly is in charge day-to-day, and provide whatever other "org chart" type info seems appropriate?

ioi - owner
TalonMan - Site Admin (has many keys to apply fixes)
TruckoSaurus - Site Admin (has many keys to apply fixes)
Machina - Site Admin (has many keys to apply  fixes)

That's who keeps the site functioning. Then we have other staff (myself and The Mod Team), the Writer Team, and the GameDB Team. All of those offer some type of additional function to keep things going.



                                                                                                                                                           

CGI-Quality said:
VAMatt said:
Can someone please explain to me who owns this site, how Talon and Trucks fit in, who exactly is in charge day-to-day, and provide whatever other "org chart" type info seems appropriate?

ioi - owner
TalonMan - Site Admin (has many keys to apply fixes)
TruckoSaurus - Site Admin (has many keys to apply fixes)
Machina - Site Admin (has many keys to apply  fixes)

That's who keeps the site functioning. Then we have other staff (myself and The Mod Team), the Writer Team, and the GameDB Team. All of those offer some type of additional function to keep things going.

Thanks for the info, and for the work you do here, CGI.  

Now, regarding those admins.....  if one leaves, is it not possible to replace them?  If not, why not?  Is it that nobody wants to do it, or that ioi won't allow anyone else, or what?  Do those guys have specific areas of expertise, or interest (or any other factor) that make them not-interchangeable? 

I hope I'm not prying too much.  I just realized while reading this thread that I've been active here for 2 years (and I lurked for about 2 years before that), and I have no idea who really makes this clock tick.  



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VAMatt said:
CGI-Quality said:

ioi - owner
TalonMan - Site Admin (has many keys to apply fixes)
TruckoSaurus - Site Admin (has many keys to apply fixes)
Machina - Site Admin (has many keys to apply  fixes)

That's who keeps the site functioning. Then we have other staff (myself and The Mod Team), the Writer Team, and the GameDB Team. All of those offer some type of additional function to keep things going.

Thanks for the info, and for the work you do here, CGI.  

Now, regarding those admins.....  if one leaves, is it not possible to replace them?  If not, why not?  Is it that nobody wants to do it, or that ioi won't allow anyone else, or what?  Do those guys have specific areas of expertise, or interest (or any other factor) that make them not-interchangeable? 

I hope I'm not prying too much.  I just realized while reading this thread that I've been active here for 2 years (and I lurked for about 2 years before that), and I have no idea who really makes this clock tick.  

Talon and Trucks have extensive web development skills and they were volunteering out of their free time. So basically, you'd have to find someone that a) ioi will trust enough to give the backdoor key for the website b) has experience in web development and c) can do it for free, all the while sustaining abuse from the community.

Therein lies the problem with replacing the admins



morenoingrato said:
VAMatt said:

Thanks for the info, and for the work you do here, CGI.  

Now, regarding those admins.....  if one leaves, is it not possible to replace them?  If not, why not?  Is it that nobody wants to do it, or that ioi won't allow anyone else, or what?  Do those guys have specific areas of expertise, or interest (or any other factor) that make them not-interchangeable? 

I hope I'm not prying too much.  I just realized while reading this thread that I've been active here for 2 years (and I lurked for about 2 years before that), and I have no idea who really makes this clock tick.  

Talon and Trucks have extensive web development skills and they were volunteering out of their free time. So basically, you'd have to find someone that a) ioi will trust enough to give the backdoor key for the website b) has experience in web development and c) can do it for free, all the while sustaining abuse from the community.

Therein lies the problem with replacing the admins

That's about what I was imagining.  So, basically, we should consider ourselves lucky to even have a site that functions at all.  



TalonMan said:

I do have some people I'm still connected with on discord (I believe even you and I are still connected, VGP) - so I was directed towards this thread for a response, and so here I am! And while I appreciate this - I think it's important that I clear the air on all of this as it's only fair to those that don't even know what's going on. But first:

I have never once responded to or wrote a single post on this website that could have put somebody on "edge" without that person having instigated it, themselves. Not once!

 

I would say, you yourself probably came the closest to getting an unwarranted snipe from me - but that's because I was in an obvious foul mood at the time (I made that very clear from my very first post in that thread, that I was not happy at the time), and it almost felt you were intentionally trolling me in that thread. That doesn't make it right, but we cleared the air, and all is fine (right??). Outside of that one instance though, every single time I've gone back at somebody it's because they posted some arrogant (or, more commonly, ignorant) nonsense, that deserved every ounce of my wrath in return. Hell, if this were 2008 I wouldn't have hesitated to just pull the trigger and ban most of those people right from the start - but I've tried to keep my restraint and allow the mods to be mods.

I would love it (and would absolutely capitulate the point), if somebody were to show me just a single, solitary instance of my attacking somebody without warrant - just ONE!!! You won't find it, because it's never happened. Plenty of people have come into a thread I've started or participated in to tell me something isn't working right - some of them have even posted downright angry posts, too! But, unless they were disrespectful, they always got my attention and (most importantly) my help in resolving. I can think of three (possibly four) individuals that I lashed out at - and every single time, it's because they decided to act like a jackass or attempt to talk down to me, and I just will not tolerate that. Ever. 

 

Look - the bottom line is I really shouldn't allow the very extreme minority of morons, ruin the website progress for the vast majority of the community that really are awesome. On the other hand, I do this shit professionally day in and day out - and I honestly don't feel as though I should have to stoop to a level and subject myself to these lower class of people. And that's exactly what it feels like I'm having to do, every time I need to deal with nonsensical and insulting posts like those.

I wouldn't allow a client speak to me like that in my professional job - so, should I actually put up with it while working voluntarily on a hobby website?!?!?! No freakin' way!! And especially not when I've been putting other projects on hold, so I could focus my efforts almost exclusively on this website - that's just bullshit, I'm sorry.

So - rather than continue to waste my time putting up with this garbage, I just feel like maybe it's time for a change in scenery (so to speak). It sucks that I've allowed a few shitty, smelly apples ruin it for the bunch, but that's just what happens sometimes. We're all human after all, and sometimes we need to make decisions that are in the best interest of ourselves - even if that means hurting everybody else in the process...  :(

Sad to see you leave the site, but I do understand some of the comments forum members left you were appalling to me, i wish i spoke up more when i saw them. Anyways, thanks for all the improvements you have made. I've enjoyed updating the database pages and was excited to see what the new database features that you were teasing were gonna be. Anyways thanks for responding so quickly to my bug reports, I think you fixed most within the hour. And thanks for the nice comments on my reviews.



     

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VAMatt said:
morenoingrato said:

Talon and Trucks have extensive web development skills and they were volunteering out of their free time. So basically, you'd have to find someone that a) ioi will trust enough to give the backdoor key for the website b) has experience in web development and c) can do it for free, all the while sustaining abuse from the community.

Therein lies the problem with replacing the admins

That's about what I was imagining.  So, basically, we should consider ourselves lucky to even have a site that functions at all.  

The site turns a profit as it has been pointed out before if the profit wasn't here then it would likely have been closed during the lapse in care that it got from the sites owner in the past couple of years as advertising on VGChartz is pretty heavy with 2-3 active adverts on most pages of the site.

That said this last 6 months, Since Jan or so the Alexa rank of the site has taken a fairly large dip from in the top 20k rank down to now below 32k, (8200 drop in the past 3 months) site views are likely to increase again around E3 time but I'm not sure if this dip is annual as the graph just shows a single year or if visits here are dropping because of other things.

But yeah the sites functionality will go hand in hand with its profitability. If it's making money it will be maintained by the sites owner if something drastic happens which would stop that flow.

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morenoingrato said:
VAMatt said:

Thanks for the info, and for the work you do here, CGI.  

Now, regarding those admins.....  if one leaves, is it not possible to replace them?  If not, why not?  Is it that nobody wants to do it, or that ioi won't allow anyone else, or what?  Do those guys have specific areas of expertise, or interest (or any other factor) that make them not-interchangeable? 

I hope I'm not prying too much.  I just realized while reading this thread that I've been active here for 2 years (and I lurked for about 2 years before that), and I have no idea who really makes this clock tick.  

Talon and Trucks have extensive web development skills and they were volunteering out of their free time. So basically, you'd have to find someone that a) ioi will trust enough to give the backdoor key for the website b) has experience in web development and c) can do it for free, all the while sustaining abuse from the community.

Therein lies the problem with replacing the admins

Actually the only problem is a). I am fairly certain there are users with experience on this very forum that would love to help out. Sadly, problem a) is apparently unfixable.



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