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Jumpin said:
Aeolus451 said:

Fortnite is a multiplatform game and some of the platform companies are allowing something that's normally restricted by all of them. The complaints are nonsensical because the restrictions are very normal and everyone knew it was the default policy unless specified.  People don't have a justified reason to raise this much ruckus over it.

It’s normal for people to have functionality permanently removed, without warning, if they login even once to PS4 at any point?

He (& others in this thread) keeps wriggling out of this key point, which is the fundamental issue. 

 

I really don't get this die-hard loyalty towards a corporation...

 

It wouldn't surprise me if a few of them were sporting Sony tattoos. 

 

Guess what guys, Sony (or Nintendo, or Microsoft) just want your money - they're not gonna buy you a drink on your birthday or attend your baby shower! 

 

Open your eyes and recognise anti-consumer behaviour when you see it! 



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KLAMarine said:

But Sony does have power over (1) PlayStation and how third parties are to interact with the PlayStation platform.

(2) I highly doubt EG would want their own accounts restricted like this. I expect them to want players to be able to play their account regardless of what hardware they're playing on so as to maximize investment and engagement.

Sony stands to benefit from this restriction and (3) EG does not by making any Sony-associated EG accounts only playable on PlayStation and, to Sony's credit, PC and smartphones. No X1 or Switch.

 

(1) Yes absolutely, ON THEIR platform, not on others which again is what makes no sense here: How can Sony decide what can be seen on Switch on a game Sony does not own?

(2) EXACTLY! EG stands to gain nothing from doing this, yet the only one that can do this is EG as EG totally can block accounts made for their games on any system they want, it's their game. Sony on the other hand cannot.

(3) ABSOLUTELY, This benefits Sony but not EG so again I'm asking a question I asked earlier: Why would EG agree to this when EG does not benefit at all form this? Makes no sense.

We have a "murder" case where the main suspect (Sony) wasn't in town when the murder took place. So I submit this to logic and reason: Either Sony is guilty but with the consent of the others (Microsoft, Nintendo, EG or at least just EG) or Sony did this on their own and they are like super powerful for having access to Switch and Xbox and deciding what happens on Switch/Xbox or maybe hacking the Switch/Xbox servers?  So powerful that Nintendo and Microsoft do not even sue them cause why? They are scared of Sony? I think we can agree that this is pure fantasy so we are left with logic and reason only: Sony wanted this, asked for this and the OTHERS AGREED to it for whatever reason that is unknown to us. So Sony is guilty of wanting this and the others are accomplices which was my first theory and the most logical one.

Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 17 June 2018

CrazyGamer2017 said:
KLAMarine said:

But Sony does have power over (1) PlayStation and how third parties are to interact with the PlayStation platform.

(2) I highly doubt EG would want their own accounts restricted like this. I expect them to want players to be able to play their account regardless of what hardware they're playing on so as to maximize investment and engagement.

Sony stands to benefit from this restriction and (3) EG does not by making any Sony-associated EG accounts only playable on PlayStation and, to Sony's credit, PC and smartphones. No X1 or Switch.

 

(1) Yes absolutely, ON THEIR platform, not on others which again is what makes no sense here: How can Sony decide what can be seen on Switch on a game Sony does not own?

(2) EXACTLY! EG stands to gain nothing from doing this, yet the only one that can do this is EG as EG totally can block accounts made for their games on any system they want, it's their game. Sony on the other hand cannot.

(3) ABSOLUTELY, This benefits Sony but not EG so again I'm asking a question I asked earlier: Why would EG agree to this when EG does not benefit at all form this? Makes no sense.

We have a "murder" case where the main suspect (Sony) wasn't in town when the murder took place. So I submit this to logic and reason: Either Sony is guilty but with the consent of the others (Microsoft, Nintendo, EG or at least just EG) or Sony did this on their own and they are like super powerful for having access to Switch and Xbox and deciding what happens on Switch/Xbox or maybe hacking the Switch/Xbox servers?  So powerful that Nintendo and Microsoft do not even sue them cause why? They are scared of Sony? I think we can agree that this is pure fantasy so we are left with logic and reason only: Sony wanted this, asked for this and the OTHERS AGREED to it for whatever reason that is unknown to us. So Sony is guilty of wanting this and the others are accomplices which was my first theory and the most logical one.

You are way over complicating this.  Epic wanted Fortnite on the PS4 because it has 80 million users.  Sony said, we want the accounts used on this platform tied to this platform and if you don't like it you can fuck off.  And they capitulated because Sony controls over half the console userbase and Fortnite was locked in intense competition with PUBG.

Sony is top dog, they have extremely powerful leverage.  And MS and Nintendo can't do shit about this.  The only thing to be done is what Nintendo did: request that accounts associated with Switch are not permitted to go to PS4.  And no, Sony needs NO ONE'S permission.  So drop the Nintendo and MS are accomplices BS.

Sony used its position of market dominance to pressure Epic into this deal.  Period.  End of story.  Stop trying to justify or spread the blame where it doesn't belong.



Jumpin said:
Aeolus451 said:

Fortnite is a multiplatform game and some of the platform companies are allowing something that's normally restricted by all of them. The complaints are nonsensical because the restrictions are very normal and everyone knew it was the default policy unless specified.  People don't have a justified reason to raise this much ruckus over it.

It’s normal for people to have functionality permanently removed, without warning, if they login even once to PS4 at any point?

No warning is needed for something widely known. People just didn't think about it at all or asked questions. Maybe they never realized it. If you want to play a multiplatform game on a certain platform, ya don't play it or buy dlc for it on other platforms because progress/dlc content will be locked to a platform. What ms and nintendo are allowing in this instance is extremely abnormal. I wouldn't double dip with a free-to-play game on different platforms unless the dev says it's safe. Ya don't just assume that it's safe.



Biggerboat1 said:
Jumpin said:

It’s normal for people to have functionality permanently removed, without warning, if they login even once to PS4 at any point?

He (& others in this thread) keeps wriggling out of this key point, which is the fundamental issue. 

 

I really don't get this die-hard loyalty towards a corporation...

 

It wouldn't surprise me if a few of them were sporting Sony tattoos. 

 

Guess what guys, Sony (or Nintendo, or Microsoft) just want your money - they're not gonna buy you a drink on your birthday or attend your baby shower! 

 

Open your eyes and recognise anti-consumer behaviour when you see it! 

Insinuating that we're fan boys just because we don't agree with entitled gamers on this is a bit much. I just disagree with their complaints. Sony's policy on this is a normal policy for all 3 on most multiplatform games. Expecting or assuming that sony had a different policy from normal on fortnite is nonsensical. Mass whining about shooting yourself in the foot and expecting a company to make it better is nonsensical.



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Nem said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

You can have $100 worth of shit purchased on PC in Fortnite, created your Epic account on PC, and played for 350 hours on PC. But because you logged into a friends PS4 to show him/her your cosmetics for five minutes, your account is now held hostage on PS4 and you cannot use it on Switch or Xbone. There is no defending that. There’s no “revenue” Sony is missing out on, there’s no relevance to past games like FFXIV or other games that don’t allow you to transfer your account and purchases across platforms, because Epic allows you to do that with Fortnite. Unless of course, you’ve ever played on PS4.

The uproar about this will make them change. It’s a good thing. And then maybe they’ll loosen up about cross play.

 

You don't understand. PS4 is the most popular console. People will play where their friends are. Sony will get loads of revenue from doing that rather than letting people go across another system and buy their micro-transactions there. It is exactly what they do with FFXIV. They want that revenue and i doubt they will change, no matter how much noise people make. It's millions we are talking about. Would you give up millions just to let someone play and purchase in a competitors system? These are shareholders we are talking about. They care about money and the worth of their stock. So, unless this controversy reflects in a stock value drop, and i don't see why it would, i doubt they will hand out those millions to the competition just to please you guys. It's unthinkable.

You’re mistaken if you think anyone in this thread doesn’t fully understand WHY Sony would do this. Yeah, we understand it’s all about potential revenue. There’s no need for a lengthy explanation, we all get it. That doesn’t make it any less scummy, or any more anti consumer. And I think you’re putting too much value on potential lost revenue from people who might want to use their account on other platforms. If people play mostly on PS4 and make their purchases on PS4, allowing them to log onto Xbone or Switch with their Epic accounts (not their PSN accounts, their Epic accounts) isn’t going to suddenly make them stop playing or buying on PS4. Locking their account to your console might though.

Its ok though, they’re #4theplayers, they’ll change.



Maybe they reach this agreement when Fortnite and Switch didn't were as big as today.
Now everything is getting out of hands due to this.
Last year's Minecraft no cross play policy effect wasn't as big as this.



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Aeolus451 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

He (& others in this thread) keeps wriggling out of this key point, which is the fundamental issue. 

 

I really don't get this die-hard loyalty towards a corporation...

 

It wouldn't surprise me if a few of them were sporting Sony tattoos. 

 

Guess what guys, Sony (or Nintendo, or Microsoft) just want your money - they're not gonna buy you a drink on your birthday or attend your baby shower! 

 

Open your eyes and recognise anti-consumer behaviour when you see it! 

Insinuating that we're fan boys just because we don't agree with entitled gamers on this is a bit much. I just disagree with their complaints. Sony's policy on this is a normal policy for all 3 on most multiplatform games.

Some gamers don't want to settle for normal. Some PS4 players want more than normal like being able to play their EG account on other console hardware. XBox1 and Switch allow it, why not PS4?

Aeolus451 said:

Expecting or assuming that sony had a different policy from normal on fortnite is nonsensical.

Pro-consumer Sony is long dead. People should start realizing this now and be wary that PSN can stealthily screw your third party accounts if you're not careful.

Aeolus451 said:

Mass whining about shooting yourself in the foot and expecting a company to make it better is nonsensical.

Well the customer is any company's bread and butter. Displeasing the customer is never a good idea.



Aeolus451 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

He (& others in this thread) keeps wriggling out of this key point, which is the fundamental issue. 

 

I really don't get this die-hard loyalty towards a corporation...

 

It wouldn't surprise me if a few of them were sporting Sony tattoos. 

 

Guess what guys, Sony (or Nintendo, or Microsoft) just want your money - they're not gonna buy you a drink on your birthday or attend your baby shower! 

 

Open your eyes and recognise anti-consumer behaviour when you see it! 

Insinuating that we're fan boys just because we don't agree with entitled gamers on this is a bit much. I just disagree with their complaints. Sony's policy on this is a normal policy for all 3 on most multiplatform games. Expecting or assuming that sony had a different policy from normal on fortnite is nonsensical. Mass whining about shooting yourself in the foot and expecting a company to make it better is nonsensical.

The only nonsensical thing here is you continuing to conflate standard multiplatform games & dlc with the very specific case of fortnite - they are 2 different things, so stop. 

The epic account isn't intrinsically linked to a specific platform, it's Sony who is stipulating that logging on just once, even if the account was created on a pc or mobile device (where you could have already logged hundreds of hours) will tether it to psn & prevent it from connecting to switch or xbox. That is not how multiplatforn games/dlc works. If I'm wrong, please site examples. 

Of course this suits Sony, as it is essentially making it impossible for gamers to then play on that account on a competing console - a pretty dirty tactic since that gamer may have only ever logged on to psn that one time...

You know who it isn't beneficial to (aside from Nintendo & MS of course) is THE GAMER - so you & me. And that's the side you should be on, not a bunch of suits making decisions based on spreadsheets. 

Also, there are countless occasions where public pressure has forced a company to change policy, so your last point about moaning being nonsensical shows a complete lack of basic insight into business and the gaming industry. 



Aeolus451 said:

Insinuating that we're fan boys just because we don't agree with entitled gamers on this is a bit much.

How exactly is it any different than labeling people "entitled" or saying they're "whining"? Seems like the pot calling the kettle black, here.

 

Aeolus451 said:
I just disagree with their complaints. Sony's policy on this is a normal policy for all 3 on most multiplatform games.

Fortnite isn't the normal multiplatform game, though. And that's wrong, anyway. I can link my PSN and XBL accounts to the same Ubisoft account and earn rewards playing Ubisoft games that I can use on whatever platform. I can use the same EA Sports account for Madden on Xbox One and PS4, and every other EA game as well. I use the same 2K account for Evolve and Battleborn on both PS4 and Xbone. Since you seem so sure that Sony literally locks your account from being used on other platforms, can you please list all of these games that do this?

 

Aeolus451 said:
Expecting or assuming that sony had a different policy from normal on fortnite is nonsensical.

It's not a normal policy. If I try to log into my Uplay account that I used for Rainbow Six on PS4 on my Xbone to play through Far Cry 5, I don't get any error messages saying my account is locked. It works just fine. If I log onto Madden on Xbone I log in with the same EA account I use on PS4. And so on and so forth. The difference here is these accounts are basically use for rewards for playing publishers games. Fortnite on the other hand actually allows you to transfer and use content bought on one platform onto another platform. Your cosmetics are not tied to your platform you bought them on, but rather the account you bought them with. Again, since you seem to think this is such a common thing on the platform, what other games allow purchased content to carry over to other platforms, but lock you out of ever transferring your account to another console if you've ever used it on PS4? It must be quite a substantial list considering how condescending you're being to people who didn't know about it.

 

Aeolus451 said:
Mass whining about shooting yourself in the foot and expecting a company to make it better is nonsensical.

Not knowing the #4theplayers company was going to pull a shitty anti-player move = shooting yourself in the foot. Hilarious.

I don't care much for Fortnite, but you really have to applaud what they are doing with their content, allowing you to carry it to whatever platform you want. The game is more than popular enough that they could tie it down to individual platforms if they wanted, and still make tons of money. What's happening here is Sony understands how big Fortnite is and wants as little people as possible playing on other platforms because that means cosmetics might be bought on those consoles instead of PS4. So they're locking the accounts down. It's scummy, and instead of repeatedly pointing out how other games work, just be fucking appreciative of how Fortnite works and how crummy it is that Sony is blocking something that could help change how content is locked down on consoles. Maybe one day buying DLC on a game on one platform can unlock it on any platform you play the game on. Sounds great for gamers. No need to rush to Sony's defense because they might make a tiny sliver less money, potentially.