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Aeolus451 said:
Teeqoz said:

Do you think that is a sign of being right or left leaning? Do you think that can tell you anything about the political views of a person, aside from being reasonable?

Yeah, right leaning or more centrist and yes to the other question too. Alot of people don't put alot of thought into their politics and just lump themselves into whatever sounds good or aligns with one thing with them. It's complicated so people's opinions evolve as they gain more experience and learn new things. Sometimes they realize they had it completely wrong.

I think you misunderstood my second question - I meant to ask, do you think the fact that people ask for evidence before condemning something can tell you something about where a person stands on the right/left axis in politics?

Presumably you do, as you say you think asking for evidence is a sign of being right leaning or centrist, but not left leaning, but I have to ask nonetheless, because the idea seems crazy to me.



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Yeah, I don't think mob mentality is prone to one side of politics over the other. I will say that the abdication of individual thought and reliance on groupthink instead seems to occur more with extremists.



Megiddo said:
Yeah, I don't think mob mentality is prone to one side of politics over the other. I will say that the abdication of individual thought and reliance on groupthink instead seems to occur more with extremists.

Based on? Even colleges towns or local gamestores have a groupthinking mentality but those aint no way extreme. Hell even here on vgc there is also a certain bandwagon



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Teeqoz said:
Aeolus451 said:

Yeah, right leaning or more centrist and yes to the other question too. Alot of people don't put alot of thought into their politics and just lump themselves into whatever sounds good or aligns with one thing with them. It's complicated so people's opinions evolve as they gain more experience and learn new things. Sometimes they realize they had it completely wrong.

I think you misunderstood my second question - I meant to ask, do you think the fact that people ask for evidence before condemning something can tell you something about where a person stands on the right/left axis in politics?

Presumably you do, as you say you think asking for evidence is a sign of being right leaning or centrist, but not left leaning, but I have to ask nonetheless, because the idea seems crazy to me.

I didn't but the answer is the same especially in these times. The majority of the claims, accusations and stances by the conventional left are factually incorrect, not supported by evidence or flat out lies. They're closer to a mob with a sore tooth.



 

Aeolus451 said:
Teeqoz said:

I think you misunderstood my second question - I meant to ask, do you think the fact that people ask for evidence before condemning something can tell you something about where a person stands on the right/left axis in politics?

Presumably you do, as you say you think asking for evidence is a sign of being right leaning or centrist, but not left leaning, but I have to ask nonetheless, because the idea seems crazy to me.

I didn't but the answer is the same especially in these times. The majority of the claims, accusations and stances by the conventional left are factually incorrect, not supported by evidence or flat out lies. They're closer to a mob with a sore tooth.

Who are "the conventional left", and what are these claims, accusations and stances held by this group that are factually incorrect, not supported by evidence or flat out lies? Right now you are doing the exact same thing you are condemning - you're making an accusation/claim without providing any evidence or explanation.



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Rationality and decency got permabanned from Neogaf and Neo-Neogaf.



jason1637 said:
haxxiy said:
By the way, does anyone know if NeoGaf became a more "reasonable" (meaning, more to the centre of politics) forum ever since the whole mob left en masse for ResetEra?

NeoGaf today is far right.

I assume that's hyperbola. Has it actually changed a lot though? I can't be bothered to check.



kirby007 said:
Megiddo said:
Yeah, I don't think mob mentality is prone to one side of politics over the other. I will say that the abdication of individual thought and reliance on groupthink instead seems to occur more with extremists.

Based on? Even colleges towns or local gamestores have a groupthinking mentality but those aint no way extreme. Hell even here on vgc there is also a certain bandwagon

Based on the reality that it is typically the extremists who do not want to compromise. Compromise is essential in politics and life as it's what happens when differently-minded groups of people try to do more than just assert their own dominance over all else.  The inability to do anything other than crusade against someone or something out of sheer hatred and malice is typically reserved for that of extremists. In the case in which I was pleading for evidence and eventually got banned, it didn't matter to these people that they had no actual evidence of their claims. They cheerfully and willfully as a collective ignored that and continued defaming a creator and his work for an idea that only persisted in their head and not reality.  Whereas anybody who is not an extremist would be like, "Well, I may not agree 100% with all of this man's opinions, but unless the guy has actually done or said racist or white supremacist things, I'm not going to mindlessly call him a nazi with no proof".

The definition of extremist:

a person who favours or resorts to immoderate, uncompromising, or fanatical methods or behaviour, esp in being politically radical



Teeqoz said:

 

Aeolus451 said:

I didn't but the answer is the same especially in these times. The majority of the claims, accusations and stances by the conventional left are factually incorrect, not supported by evidence or flat out lies. They're closer to a mob with a sore tooth.

Who are "the conventional left", and what are these claims, accusations and stances held by this group that are factually incorrect, not supported by evidence or flat out lies? Right now you are doing the exact same thing you are condemning - you're making an accusation/claim without providing any evidence or explanation.

I'm just trying to answer your simple questions as quickly as possible and elaborate on  what I said earlier. I want keep this from snowballing so I'm gonna give some examples quickly. Alot of the accusations by the left (the public figures ranging from the media, actvists, all the way to celebrities) of racism, being nazis, sexists, alt-right, etc on people who they disagree with. 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/cnn-guest-openly-argues-all-trump-voters-are-racist

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/hillary-clinton-weak-women-bigots-are-why-she-lost/

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/02/jordan-peterson-smear-alt-right/

Kanye West gets dog piled by the media, Hollywood and politicians because he disagrees with them.

Alot of lefties want to ban machine guns even though they already are. They don't know the difference between semi-auto and automatic rifles. They don't even know what type of gun that's used the most often in shootings but yet want to ban AR-15s specifically.

One of their favs is minorities (they include women in that for some reason) are being oppressed in the states. Which isn't true in any sense. 

Alot of the claims by blm aren't true. The very case that sparked it wasn't true. Statistics don't back up anything they say so they show no evidence. They're not interested in saving black lives because they ignore the biggest threats to black people. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s



Aeolus451 said:

I'm just trying to answer your simple questions as quickly as possible and elaborate on  what I said earlier. I want keep this from snowballing so I'm gonna give some examples quickly. Alot of the accusations by the left (the public figures ranging from the media, actvists, all the way to celebrities) of racism, being nazis, sexists, alt-right, etc on people who they disagree with. 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/cnn-guest-openly-argues-all-trump-voters-are-racist

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/hillary-clinton-weak-women-bigots-are-why-she-lost/

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/02/jordan-peterson-smear-alt-right/

Kanye West gets dog piled by the media, Hollywood and politicians because he disagrees with them.

Alot of lefties want to ban machine guns even though they already are. They don't know the difference between semi-auto and automatic rifles. They don't even know what type of gun that's used the most often in shootings but yet want to ban AR-15s specifically.

One of their favs is minorities (they include women in that for some reason) are being oppressed in the states. Which isn't true in any sense. 

Alot of the claims by blm aren't true. The very case that sparked it wasn't true. Statistics don't back up anything they say so they show no evidence. They're not interested in saving black lives because they ignore the biggest threats to black people. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s

Could the same not also be said of many arguments made by right-wing individuals? I don't see how this is a partisan phenomenon by any means...