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How much should it cost?

400 45 52.94%
 
450 15 17.65%
 
500 21 24.71%
 
550 0 0%
 
600 0 0%
 
600+ 4 4.71%
 
Total:85

I think us enthusiast gamers would get the most out of a $500 box that has the best ram,cpu,gpu combination possible. And it would allow Sony to not take much of a loss. But maybe $400 and taking a loss is preferable for Sony but it will just mean we won't see a price drop for a while.



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I doubt they will. They might make a $500 machine at $400 pricetag, but I don't think we'll ever see a PlayStation over $500 again.



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Ljink96 said:
Intrinsic said:

Sigh..... you are over the place. The nintendo switch is more powerful than the wiiU. has features that the wiiu lacks. You cannot make a game for the switch and it will by default work on the wiiU.

I don,t know qhy you think gens are gauged by the CPU, the wholw reason the CPU came into this was cause it was the easiest way to prove a poibt to you that you have just refuswd to grasp. 

Gens are about new things that are possble that requires new hardware to run. 

You know what nvm.......

lol, you said that CPU is the main driver behind it! You're all over the place too! I'm just stating facts here. Dude, if gens were based on new things that are possible through new hardware, there should have been 20 generations by now, lol. Yes, please just forget it. Because there is no concrete definition for game consoles, and because one company thinks differently than the other, neither of us are right. Like I said, stick with how you interpret it. Done.

Dude.....don't waste your time bashing your head on a wall.you could use this time to play more games.



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flashfire926 said:
Ljink96 said:

lol, you said that CPU is the main driver behind it! You're all over the place too! I'm just stating facts here. Dude, if gens were based on new things that are possible through new hardware, there should have been 20 generations by now, lol. Yes, please just forget it. Because there is no concrete definition for game consoles, and because one company thinks differently than the other, neither of us are right. Like I said, stick with how you interpret it. Done.

Dude.....don't waste your time bashing your head on a wall.you could use this time to play more games.

Yeah, I'm done. Subjective disputes always end like this. I've got midterms to worry about.Wasted a good hour on a convo that went nowhere. 



JRPGfan said:
estebxx said:
399 is the sweet spot, those who want more power will now wait 3 years for the eventual PRO update.

A "sudo" 8k for those people that buy 8k TV's? nah.
I think next gen, there wont be a "mid-way" upgrade.

Or we get several tiers of hardware out of the gate.

Errorist76 said:

Be assured Sony has very close ties to AMD (they even developed some Vega features together)...

That is a bold claim. Now prove it.

dx11332sega said:

Xbox One X and PS4 Pro have been battling positions back and forth in january and February

Overall I don't think it really matters. The Playstation 4 Pro hasn't exactly been smashing the base Playstation 4 in terms of sales rate.

Errorist76 said:

You also forget, that the Pro‘s GPU is indeed more advanced, as it even uses Vega features the X1X is lacking. Optimisation can do a lot if developers take their time.


...Like...?

Errorist76 said:

There are like 30 games running at native 4K, even 4K/60 on Pro. It’s not a generational difference at all..it’s a bit of image quality, that’s about it. In very few cases at least better textures.

The Pro and Xbox One X are basically taking the same games, running them at a higher resolution/framerate with sometimes an increase in visual settings.
That's pretty much all there is to it.

The Xbox One X however does tend to get a few more extra visual settings, higher resolutions and framerates more often.

In the end though, both platforms are typically just taking advantage of extra settings that were already made for another technically superior platform, the PC, they still aren't receiving everything though.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Thus the GPU part needs at least 10-12 TFlops of raw calculating power to stand out visually over the Pro, and that doesn't come cheap.

Why does it need it? And how does it relate to how expensive it is?

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Graphic cards in that power range cost more than an entire console right now, and even by 2020 it doesn't look like their price will be under 200$ by then.

Yeah. GPU's right now aren't representative of actual costs though.
DRAM prices have artificially inflated prices... And then they have additional pressure from bitcoin snapping up GPU's left, right and center.
I suggest you don't take the current price dynamics as something representative of chip costs.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Add to this the need for more RAM and a stronger CPU plus the price of all the rest of the hardware and I hardly see how a price of 399$ can be achieved without resorting to an unhealthy heavy amount of subventionning

Good thing higher density RAM released this year... And stronger CPU's have been around for the good part of a decade.

Errorist76 said:

I remember the 360 giving highend PCs a run for their money at release.

That is because it did. The Xbox 360 had a Radeon x1900 hybrid GPU which did legitimately give high-end GPU's a run for it's money. - Well, until nVidia brought forth the amazing Geforce 8800, then the PC was ahead of consoles again.

However... GPU's have gotten exponentially faster, larger, more power hungry and expensive, it will never happen again.
Even the Xbox One X has a mid-range GPU. - And that was a "Premium" console.

Intrinsic said:

You will also know that there is no way that the XB1X can hold its own when its still powered by the Jaguar CPU.

To Microsoft's credit, they have taken Jaguar as far as it can go.
It's got a decent clock rate at 2.3ghz, it won't set any records on fire though, but 700mhz is 700mhz over the Playstation 4.

However... Where things get muddied is that Microsoft has offloaded as much work as they could that is typically done on the CPU onto the GPU/Fixed function blocks, so developers if they do the right thing... Should extract more out of the Xbox One X CPU than the clock rate frequency bump implies.

Errorist76 said:

I game on PC, thank you. Problem is PCs are also held back by those weak CPUs. The Jaguar was already outdated at release 5 years ago.

My 7 year old i5 is faster than the CPU in the X1X! That’s why it’s still sufficient for 99% of games.

My 10 year old PC's Core 2 processor is faster than what's in the Xbox One X. So not really saying much. :P



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With inflation $400 in 2020 will be quite cheap for a powerful next gen console. I think they they'll be able to sell their PS5 maybe $450 thanks to their mid-gen console.

If they make a $400 box in 2020, it won't be an impressive console. Less impressive than PS4 at launch, similar in specs to what XB1 was at launch.. And Microsoft won't be afraid to release a much more powerful console, like they did with the X.



Pemalite said: 
Intrinsic said:

You will also know that there is no way that the XB1X can hold its own when its still powered by the Jaguar CPU.

To Microsoft's credit, they have taken Jaguar as far as it can go.
It's got a decent clock rate at 2.3ghz, it won't set any records on fire though, but 700mhz is 700mhz over the Playstation 4.

However... Where things get muddied is that Microsoft has offloaded as much work as they could that is typically done on the CPU onto the GPU/Fixed function blocks, so developers if they do the right thing... Should extract more out of the Xbox One X CPU than the clock rate frequency bump implies.

700mhz over the PS4, 200mhz over the Pro.

Jaguar ia jaguar tho, there isn't any amount of sorcery that will change how weak it is conpared to what PCs will be in thw next gen consoles. Likw we are talking likw 4-5 times the processing power. Anything that needs to be done to make the most of the jaguar PCs at that time will simply not-be worth the effort.



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Only it it isn't too expensive.

I think they could take $450 no problem. $500 will be pushing it a little bit, they'd lose a little steam but nothing they can't recover from and then some.

$550 or more is just asking for it.



They tried it once and how did that work out? I think they learned their lesson.