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Forums - Sony Discussion - It´s 2020 PS5 is native 4k, 8 Tf, 16 GB of ram, RC, 450 USS. would you buy it?

Mr_No on 14 February 2018

Up the 'flops to 12-15 and the RAM to 32. Add a good CPU compatible with the PS4 for BC, along a good GPU. And lower than $500, but I know it's not possible to profit with that.



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Mr Puggsly on 15 February 2018
Slap&Ride said:
Mr Puggsly said:

X1 and PS4 will be supported years into the 9th gen. So as long as X1 gets a ports of a 9th gen games, the X1X can improve them significantly without a big effort. I mean look at Gears 4, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Forza Horizon 3, Forza 7, and Shadow of War. The extra RAM and GPU power are making these same X1 games look significantly more polished by simply boosting graphics settings and including the existing high res textures.

X1X has the potential to be an appealing product even in 2020 at $250. Just as long as its getting 9th gen content and playing them well.

Another scenario, its possible MS will allow X1X support that can exclude the OG X1 down the road. But I don't see games being developed for X1X only. Anything that works on X1X should be functional on OG X1 with scaled back graphics/resolution. I make that assumption because the CPU disparity isn't too significant and I don't think we'll be seeing X1X content under 1080p.

Sony supports it's consoles long after the end of the generation - 10 years of support is a minimum. The PS2 was supported from 2000 to 2013. The PS3 from 2006 to 2017. So if the PS5 comes in 2020, then 2032 is possible, especially that it is very successful with a large install base - and profitable. And the 24GB is an odd number so its probably 16GB or 32GB.

Right, 360 had support for a long time as well. Generally speaking though 1st parties tend to push major titles on new platforms only. It was surprising to see Forza Horizon 2 when the focus was X1 for example.

I'm suggesting if MS really wants to blur the generation line then MS exclusives should be on X1 and their 9th gen Xbox. I suppose their game engines would need to be very scalable, kinda like the Frostbite engine and Unreal engine are.

X1X has an unusual number for RAM. 12GB in total, 9GB for games. 24GB could be sufficient for 9th gen if 16GB is for games and maybe 8GB for OS features. Current gen is already doing impressive things with just 5GB.



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flashfire926 on 15 February 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
Slap&Ride said:

Sony supports it's consoles long after the end of the generation - 10 years of support is a minimum. The PS2 was supported from 2000 to 2013. The PS3 from 2006 to 2017. So if the PS5 comes in 2020, then 2032 is possible, especially that it is very successful with a large install base - and profitable. And the 24GB is an odd number so its probably 16GB or 32GB.

Right, 360 had support for a long time as well. Generally speaking though 1st parties tend to push major titles on new platforms only. It was surprising to see Forza Horizon 2 when the focus was X1 for example.

I'm suggesting if MS really wants to blur the generation line then MS exclusives should be on X1 and their 9th gen Xbox. I suppose their game engines would need to be very scalable, kinda like the Frostbite engine and Unreal engine are.

X1X has an unusual number for RAM. 12GB in total, 9GB for games. 24GB could be sufficient for 9th gen if 16GB is for games and maybe 8GB for OS features. Current gen is already doing impressive things with just 5GB.

Forza Horizon 2 port turned out to be a huge waste of shelf space, given how dissapointing the port turned out to be. It was stripped out on a lot of things that made the game great.

Now Rise of the Tomb Raider had a superb port job, 2 years into next gen. That's what was real surprising. 



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NATO on 15 February 2018

I'd buy it just based on Sony's unbroken track record for attracting and making great games for it's home console systems.



TheWPCTraveler on 15 February 2018

As long as it hits the $250 price point, I'm down for it.

By that point in time, I'll probably have a stable job and a home that I don't have to share with my parents, heh. (Thus allowing me some spare time at home, that would supplement whatever spare time I get out of home - double bonus!)



 
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Pemalite on 15 February 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:

I was more or less poking at your price hypothesis.
There are reasons why it probably will not reach a more budget-orientated price.

Well the X1 was about $199 after about 3 years during the holiday.

I think X1X for $249-299 during the holiday with a redesign of 2020 is reasonable.

Eitherway, I think its important MS tries to blur generation and make X1 somehow part of their 9th gen userbase. Even if that means making all exclusives X1 compatible throughout the 9th gen.

The Xbox One is not an accurate representation of what the Xbox One X will become.
It's an Apples to Oranges comparison.

The Xbox One on release didn't even have impressive hardware, it was conservative, it was cheap.

The Xbox One X has an expensive and for a console, advanced cooler. That doesn't come cheap.
The Xbox One X has more Ram chips (A component that is increasing in price) than the Xbox One ever had.
The Xbox One X has a wider memory bus that requires more board traces and thus PCB layers.

It's not a simple case of building the SoC at a smaller fabrication process and selling the console at a cheaper price, there is so much more to the Xbox One X that will keep it's price higher than the Xbox One.

Besides... In 2020 the Xbox One S will still be on the market as a budget offering, with game bundles and larger hard drives poking fun at the higher price points.
Doesn't make sense to have the Xbox One X erode on those price points, it needs it's higher price point to increase the average selling price of every Xbox console sold, thus allowing for heavier discounting on the Xbox One S to shift more overall units.

Slap&Ride said:

 

The system memory theory stands. The PS1 & PS2 did not have unified memory. The Video Ram is like GPU memory in PC. The data is doubled. And the PS4 with its 256MB of DDR3... I know that You know that it is not relevant and only for system background staff(Netflix;). Oh and of course lets not forget the 4MB of cache of the BluRay Drive;)

The Playstation 3 didn't have unified memory either.
The Playstation 4 and Playstation 4 Pro didn't have unified memory either.

Every Playstation console has had split pools of Ram.
But what you are asking people to do is ignore that to fit in with your own narrative? Give me a break.

Fact of the matter is... The Playstation 4 added extra DDR3 memory so that the OS/Background tasks weren't taking away Ram from the faster GDDR5 memory.

Slap&Ride said:

As i said I don't  believe in 128GB, but the HBM2 is a standard that You omitted. The production of PS5 will start in 2,5 years and it's still time for it to blossom and be mass market ready.

I did omit HBM2. But sure. Lets Omit it. My point still stands.

The Production of the Playstation 5 will start whenever Sony deems it necessary... And not when a random person on the Internet says it will.

Slap&Ride said:

 32GB is still better then 16GB especially that the X1X has 12GB and is priced for premium gamers and a small install base.

Indeed.
But the Xbox One X isn't priced for premium gamers only because of it's DRAM capacity though.

Mr Puggsly said:

X1X has an unusual number for RAM. 12GB in total, 9GB for games. 24GB could be sufficient for 9th gen if 16GB is for games and maybe 8GB for OS features. Current gen is already doing impressive things with just 5GB.

What's so unusual about it? It aligns well with the 384-bit memory bus and DRAM chip counts.

Props to Microsoft though for having a more efficient OS than Sony and thus negating the requirement of additional DDR3 to perform simple tasks.



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mundus6 on 15 February 2018

I never buy consoles day one (with the exception of switch) so i would not get it right away. But when they get some good exclusive games like PS4 has now i would get it.



roadkillers on 15 February 2018

Looking at how graphics card prices have jumped up and see no sign of coming down, I have a hard time seeing much improvement in that department.



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KingofTrolls on 15 February 2018
roadkillers said:
Looking at how graphics card prices have jumped up and see no sign of coming down, I have a hard time seeing much improvement in that department.

Exactly, I think a lot of ppl will be disappointed..

It's funny nobody else mentioned it for now.



LiquorandGunFun on 15 February 2018

Hopefully better specs and price, but I will be buying the next PS no doubt at launch. Still would be cheaper than upgrading my computer.