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AlfredoTurkey on 25 January 2018
Megaoverlord12 said:
Well, then they'll just buy Xboxes from Target, Walmart, Best Buy, Toys R Us, or Amazon. I get what they're trying to do, but I think it'll be a while before this specifically takes out a large chunk of Xbox software sales.

If Game Pass takes off and Sony/Nintendo follow suit, all of those you mentioned will likely do the same. There's simply no point in stocking hardware when no one is going to buy games for it in your store. The game industry has always made its money off software.



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DonFerrari on 25 January 2018

Yep, all MS do have some backlash for them... but it was expected... and if more stores do it, Xbox presence and sales may decrease even more.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 25 January 2018
AlfredoTurkey said:
Megaoverlord12 said:
Well, then they'll just buy Xboxes from Target, Walmart, Best Buy, Toys R Us, or Amazon. I get what they're trying to do, but I think it'll be a while before this specifically takes out a large chunk of Xbox software sales.

If Game Pass takes off and Sony/Nintendo follow suit, all of those you mentioned will likely do the same. There's simply no point in stocking hardware when no one is going to buy games for it in your store. The game industry has always made its money off software.

And the console makers will have to put a lot of their own stores, and they don't have the money or interest in it...

Because even Amazon and other online retailer won't be much interested in selling consoles they won't sell games for.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Errorist76 on 25 January 2018
flashfire926 said:
Errorist76 said:

Gotta love this. Totally understandable. MS want all the money and control for themselves. And they're willing to walk over corpses for it. Again. (Just another edition of always online DRM, just with a bit more butt kissing)


MS probably won't care though. They'll just sell those things directly bundled for 50 Dollars or so, as usual.

Physical copies arent going away.

Used games arent going away.

The ability to outright own the game digitally isnt going away.

So how is this another edition of always online drm?

This is paticularly ironic because in game pass you can download the game online, and keep playing it even when offline. Something not possible with playstation now.

And as a business, do you do whats best for yourself and your consumers, or some other business?

By your logic, netflix was very greedy and bad, wanted all the money for themselves, and walked over corpses for it (blockbuster, etc).

This is how retail works. You have to adapt to stay alive. 

"The ability to outright own the game digitally isnt going away."

No one buying a game digitally is owning the game. You're only owning the rights to use it.

And yes, Netflix and Spotify for that matter are bad for the respective industry.



TheBraveGallade on 25 January 2018
DonFerrari said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

If Game Pass takes off and Sony/Nintendo follow suit, all of those you mentioned will likely do the same. There's simply no point in stocking hardware when no one is going to buy games for it in your store. The game industry has always made its money off software.

And the console makers will have to put a lot of their own stores, and they don't have the money or interest in it...

Because even Amazon and other online retailer won't be much interested in selling consoles they won't sell games for.

Remember, this is why digital console games arn't cheaper than thierphisical counterparts in the first place.



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Errorist76 on 25 January 2018
RolStoppable said:
gergroy said:
Guess retailers hate selling me consoles... I have been digital only for years... it would drive me nuts if I had to switch out games on my switch!

Why? The console has only two worthwhile games so far.

I know you're just trolling, but still

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/switch/filtered



flashfire926 on 25 January 2018
Errorist76 said:
flashfire926 said:

Physical copies arent going away.

Used games arent going away.

The ability to outright own the game digitally isnt going away.

So how is this another edition of always online drm?

This is paticularly ironic because in game pass you can download the game online, and keep playing it even when offline. Something not possible with playstation now.

And as a business, do you do whats best for yourself and your consumers, or some other business?

By your logic, netflix was very greedy and bad, wanted all the money for themselves, and walked over corpses for it (blockbuster, etc).

This is how retail works. You have to adapt to stay alive. 

"The ability to outright own the game digitally isnt going away."

No one buying a game digitally is owning the game. You're only owning the rights to use it.

And yes, Netflix and Spotify for that matter are bad for the respective industry.

Well, youre owning the rights of the game forever, which is basically owning the game.

edit: so does that mean amazon is greedy and selfish was going over sears (and proably macy's and jcpenney's soon enough) corpse, as well as many other stores?

fyi: this is how business works.

Last edited by flashfire926 - on 25 January 2018

Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.

DonFerrari on 25 January 2018
TheBraveGallade said:
DonFerrari said:

And the console makers will have to put a lot of their own stores, and they don't have the money or interest in it...

Because even Amazon and other online retailer won't be much interested in selling consoles they won't sell games for.

Remember, this is why digital console games arn't cheaper than thierphisical counterparts in the first place.

Yep, one less reason for me to even consider buying digital



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 25 January 2018
flashfire926 said:
Errorist76 said:

"The ability to outright own the game digitally isnt going away."

No one buying a game digitally is owning the game. You're only owning the rights to use it.

And yes, Netflix and Spotify for that matter are bad for the respective industry.

Well, youre owning the rights of the game forever, which is basically owning the game.

I wouldn't be certain about the always



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

flashfire926 on 25 January 2018
DonFerrari said:
flashfire926 said:

Well, youre owning the rights of the game forever, which is basically owning the game.

I wouldn't be certain about the always

You have any instances where the game is stripped away from you?

Barring the shutting down of online servers, of course.



Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.