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JRPGfan said:
Hiku said:

How do we know with 100% certainty that it's tracking below 360?
Did Microsoft state that sales are down YoY two years in a row?

Because sources with insider information said so?

I don't know what kind of information Niko have access to, or if Zhuge based his comment on information he had access to, or something that was made public. That's why I asked.

"Did Microsoft state that sales are down YoY two years in a row?"

Why would they? thats bad PR, instead they  ll mention how many hours of gameplay this year had, how many bullets where fired in this and that game ect.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't people been able to discern that certain months were up or down YoY even though Microsoft didn't outright say so, by piecing together information we got from all three companies?
I haven't kept track of their PR as of late, so I thought they may have accidentally revealed something that people picked up on.

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Hiku said:
JRPGfan said:

Because sources with insider information said so?

I don't know what kind of information Niko have access to, or if Zhuge based his comment on information he had access to, or something that was made public. That's why I asked.

"Did Microsoft state that sales are down YoY two years in a row?"

Why would they? thats bad PR, instead they  ll mention how many hours of gameplay this year had, how many bullets where fired in this and that game ect.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't people been able to discern that certain months were up or down YoY even though Microsoft didn't outright say so, by piecing together information we got from all three companies?
I haven't kept track of their PR as of late, so I thought they may have accidentally revealed something that people picked up on.

For me, I assumed that the XB1 was below the 360 launch aligned after the end of 2016 because Xbox Wire mentioned that the XB1 was outpacing its predecessor after Holidays 2015, but did not mention that after Holidays 2016. IHS Markit, a very large company that does industry data analysis as one of its main services, estimated the XB1's sales to be 27.6m by the end of 2016, so I thought there was some weight behind interpreting Microsoft's silence in regards to the XB1's relative performance to the 360 launch-aligned.

It could be that Zhuge's company uses a different methodology and as a result, arrived at a different conclusion.



Right, but PS3 was an objective failure for Sony. PS4 is not.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Right, but PS3 was an objective failure for Sony. PS4 is not.

Huh???

Perhaps I missed something. 



                                                                                                                                                           

I cant understand why anybody would think XBO would be massively up this year.

VGC numbers
2014-7.9m
2015-8.6m
2016-8.4m
2017-8.4m

4 years of relatively stable sales followed by a huge boost in the 5th year? Not likely.

360 had a really big jump in its 5th year but that was due to Kinect which attracted a new casual audience that was not previously on 360.

The new X model appeals to hardcore gamers and tech enthusiasts at its price of $499 and that will remain true even with a price cut to $399.

The safest bet for sales this year would be to continue selling in the same range it has the last 4 years.



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Nogamez said:
Kinect help push xbox 369.sales dramatically aswell

? kinect in the past, maybe.

Now its dead, right ?



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Hiku said:
JRPGfan said:

Because sources with insider information said so?

I don't know what kind of information Niko have access to, or if Zhuge based his comment on information he had access to, or something that was made public. That's why I asked.

"Did Microsoft state that sales are down YoY two years in a row?"

Why would they? thats bad PR, instead they  ll mention how many hours of gameplay this year had, how many bullets where fired in this and that game ect.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't people been able to discern that certain months were up or down YoY even though Microsoft didn't outright say so, by piecing together information we got from all three companies?
I haven't kept track of their PR as of late, so I thought they may have accidentally revealed something that people picked up on.

Only USA. Japan and eventually some Gfk number for Xbox could be extracted or compared against PS4 and WiiU.... WW we only have like VGC and the comments from AMD or EA.



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The only reason that the 360 sold so well, was because of the beginning on the gen blunders by Sony, imo. That turned most people to Xbox, even though PS3 caught up in sales, by the end of the gen.



Sixteenvolt420 said:
The only reason that the 360 sold so well, was because of the beginning on the gen blunders by Sony, imo. That turned most people to Xbox, even though PS3 caught up in sales, by the end of the gen.

In your opinion indeed. The early years of the X360, bar all the RRoD fun times, were laden with fantastic games and lots of effort from Microsoft (started going downhill with Kinect IMO, but by that time, Sony has recovered). There is good reason why people turned off PS3 went to X360... and also, piracy is a huge factor in many countries.



CGI-Quality said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Right, but PS3 was an objective failure for Sony. PS4 is not.

Huh???

Perhaps I missed something. 

And here I thought I was the only one missing some shenanigan!

Care to explain crazy pug?!