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Brutalyst said:
epicurean said:

Also, how did reviewers find this so good? I really don't understand...The Kylo Ren arc is pretty decent, I guess, but other than that - huge plot holes, inconsistent character development, below-average acting, forced humor... Ugh. It was so bad.

SO much this, I cant fathom how it got such high reviews either. 

Also the comedy seemed very forced and didnt work, TFA got a couple of laughs from me. But why do they feel the need to add comedy elements anyway? I dont remember there being much in the previous episodes I-VI

There were plenty of comedy elements in the original trilogy. I mean, Han Solo is a one-liner machine, there were plenty of fun moments with it. One of the problem with the prequels is that they were pretty much humourless, except for Jar Jar Binks, which isn't the best example of good comedy xD. I think people might forget that SW movies are pretty much, big, bombastic, fun adventure films. They're not exactly what I'd call drama, dark films. Although there are plenty of dark moments, that's not the general tone. So I was pretty surprised to hear people complaining about comedy in a SW film. 



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Thanks most of you for putting spoiler tags on things.

That was sarcastic obviously. Luckily I just got back from seeing it, unspoiled, but I fear for those who dare enter this thread without having seen it yet.

Anyway, it was awesome.



Volterra_90 said:
Brutalyst said:

SO much this, I cant fathom how it got such high reviews either. 

Also the comedy seemed very forced and didnt work, TFA got a couple of laughs from me. But why do they feel the need to add comedy elements anyway? I dont remember there being much in the previous episodes I-VI

There were plenty of comedy elements in the original trilogy. I mean, Han Solo is a one-liner machine, there were plenty of fun moments with it. One of the problem with the prequels is that they were pretty much humourless, except for Jar Jar Binks, which isn't the best example of good comedy xD. I think people might forget that SW movies are pretty much, big, bombastic, fun adventure films. They're not exactly what I'd call drama, dark films. Although there are plenty of dark moments, that's not the general tone. So I was pretty surprised to hear people complaining about comedy in a SW film. 

There's a big difference between witty remarks like the banter between Han and Leia and slapstick comedy like the rock Rey just sliced knocking the cart from those indigenous creatures or BB8 being used as a slot machine by a drunk alien.

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TruckOSaurus said:
Angelus said:

I think ultimately, all other things aside, the worst thing about this movie is that it leaves things pretty much exactly where they started, and it really drove home the point that Star Wars is never going to end. I mean sure, it's somewhat expected that cash cows will get milked for all they're worth, and I suppose as long as the product is good, that's fine, but this just had me like.....ya......this is never ever going away. Great stories have a beginning, middle, and end. This movie, and the main Star Wars franchise moving forward, has a beginning, middle, and then cycles back around to an alternate beginning. Everyone might not pick up on this right away, but I suspect it will get real old real quick for many.

I'd say it's even worst than that. Say what you want about TFA, it did set up some interesting story arcs for future films and you had the impression it was crafted as the start of a new trilogy. TLJ takes those story arcs and closes them (in an unsatisfactory manner) leaving so little to look forward to when Episode IX arrives.

Ya you definitely get the sense that the new director came in and was like "nah....I'm not really into some of these threads you opened up in the last one so....fuck that." I wonder how JJ feels about this movie knowing he's gotta come back in to close this trilogy out.



shikamaru317 said:
Angelus said:

Ya you definitely get the sense that the new director came in and was like "nah....I'm not really into some of these threads you opened up in the last one so....fuck that." I wonder how JJ feels about this movie knowing he's gotta come back in to close this trilogy out.

Rian Johnson actually said in an interview that he didn't want to make anybody's sequel, so yeah, it definitely seems like he decided to go his own way with episode 8 instead of continuing JJ's story threads. 

Wow....and they hired him anyway? Wtf

I mean that kind of attitude is fine if you're making a spin off or something, or since they're giving him his own trilogy he can go do whatever the fuck he wants in a space like that, but how do you get a guy to do the second act of a trilogy you already started when he's like "meh....I'm doing my own thing."



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shikamaru317 said:
Angelus said:

Wow....and they hired him anyway? Wtf

I mean that kind of attitude is fine if you're making a spin off or something, or since they're giving him his own trilogy he can go do whatever the fuck he wants in a space like that, but how do you get a guy to do the second act of a trilogy you already started when he's like "meh....I'm doing my own thing."

Yeah, I remember reading it in an interview awhile back. As I recall he said he only agreed to do it after asking if he could change some things after reading JJ's script for episode 7. He mentioned fighting to get rid of Kylo's mask because he didn't like it. He said he was surpiused that LucasFilm accepted his requested changes though, so ultimately the blame lies with them for letting him have so much creative freedom, instead of making him follow a predesigned over-arcing 3 movie plot point list created by JJ and Kasdan. 

Well in the grand scheme the mask detail is somewhat minor but boy do I personally wish they'd stuck with it. Kylo just looks and sounds like such a whiny douchebag without it. I mean no offense to the actor but.....you just don't look very evil or intimidating. You look like a black haired, French Anakin.

Generally speaking though, I just think giving a trilogy to 3 different directors - as they had originally planned - is just a bad idea to boot. Different people are always bound to have wildly different ideas for how a story should play out, and you're just begging to run into these types of problems.



Just saw it. Man, it was freaking amazing! One part annoyed me concerning... um... welll. Let me just say it involves space. And... like Han said: "That's not how the Force works!" 3rd best Star Wars movie



Went to see it at 12:01 on the 14th, was really good but damn there was a lot of jokes in it.

I think with the exception of admiral Akbar every single character made a joke of some form or other, if you think I'm wrong name the character and I'll see if I can recall the point where I groaned in the cinema.



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TruckOSaurus said:
Volterra_90 said:

There were plenty of comedy elements in the original trilogy. I mean, Han Solo is a one-liner machine, there were plenty of fun moments with it. One of the problem with the prequels is that they were pretty much humourless, except for Jar Jar Binks, which isn't the best example of good comedy xD. I think people might forget that SW movies are pretty much, big, bombastic, fun adventure films. They're not exactly what I'd call drama, dark films. Although there are plenty of dark moments, that's not the general tone. So I was pretty surprised to hear people complaining about comedy in a SW film. 

There's a big difference between witty remarks like the banter between Han and Leia and slapstick comedy like the rock Rey just sliced knocking the cart from those indigenous creatures or BB8 being used as a slot machine by a drunk alien.

Well, yeah, the comedy is pretty different, I agree with this. I'm fine with people who says that they didn't like the type of comedy this film has. I'm just bewildered at an awful lots of comments in the Internet saying that comedy isn't a Star Wars thing. Which is bullshit, obviously. I enjoyed the comedy in this film, I thought they mixed well comedy and light-hearted moments with the more dramatic stuff. But I can understand that this comedy is not for everyone's tastes, I feel that's a valid criticism.



Airaku said:
TallSilhouette said:

Wouldn't mind reading that. Feel free to PM me.

Phasma.

 

AnmolRed said:                               
 

oh that sounds interesting, those casino scenes and poes cringy lines in the beginning were bad imo 

P.S. could you link  or dm the script?

Alright I'll just post it here rather than PMing it to everyone. Someone will just share it anyways. I believe the script was leaked on January 26th, 2017. It's an earlier script so the movie we got was already being filmed. No idea what the motivation of the leaker was but I'm damn glad I saved a PDF of that script after watching the movie. It's amazing how this script was so much better than the final version. Seeing how many set pieces and characters were cut is crazy. The script was running a little on the long side as well. Much darker, and very serious in tone minus a few hilarious moments. Dropping the plot point of the Knights of Ren alone changes the out come of so many things. Rey suddenly feels less needed and Snoke less relevant. Far less character development for Kylo Ren, which was drastic in this script. It was technically his film in many ways.

I recommend people read the whole thing. The pay off is pretty great a the end. There's no Crait but there is are major deaths that would have left some fans salty.... oh wait.... Nothing remotely on the scale of what we had. It fit quite well in the Star Wars universe as well as leaving fans with something huge to look forward to in Episode IX. I do wonder if Luke will play a similar role in Episode IX in trying to guide Ben and teach him as a force ghost or even connect to him directly with him.

I'll admit when this script was first released I was on the fence of it and concluded it was fake due to a few parts. Then I noticed certain elements and similarities in the final film and shit that really seemed out of place for Star Wars last night. They had something fans deserved, but gave us something to make a quick buck instead while keeping a smaller budget and a strict timeline. This is very depressing.....

PDF of the script: http://www.mediafire.com/file/e68ldw5u98vbl5q/Star+Wars+Episode+VIII.pdf

At around page 75 I can confirm that some of that is at least legit, I'm from Kerry and have friends who used a telescope to watch Kylo land on the Jedi temple and battle Ray/Luke there from his Tie Silencer.



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