Tfa wishes to be at least 1/10000 as good as TPM, the worst of the real 6 SW movies.

Listen, plenty of posters on VGC had issues with the movie. You're probably in the minority of people who think it needs to be rated that high.

I needed a day to digest this movie because I wanted to give a fair assessment of it within the eight Star Wars films.

In general, I am in shock similar to the way I was with Phantom Menace. I will say that it technically (camera, lighting, etc.) is a competent movie and special effects are great, but everything involving characters, writing, and story fell so flat for me. The packed house of fans I watched with was dead silent through almost the whole screening and left like they had just attended a funeral.

The Last Jedi has so many issues it is hard where to begin. It does have amazing scenes that people would point out, but much like pod racing or duel of the fates the frame work around them left me cold. One third of this entire movie is based on two characters behaving in a profoundly stupid fashion instead of being leaders to give us easily the most boring story line I've seen in Star Wars. It is a detour that added nothing and in hindsight makes things worse. If people were simply competent you could have had a desperate chase with a clever solution. Instead we have dumb characters against dumb opposition. I'll also add not a single joke landed and the one time I hear some stifled laugh was a reaction to a bizarre dramatic moment that robbed the previous scene of its dramatic tension, they were laughing at it the way you would "The Room".

As someone who defended the Force Awakens with "wait and see, it'll explain it, there will be payoff" the Last Jedi made me think less of Force Awakens as it is clear there was no plan for this trilogy. Rian Johnson looked at Abrams set up and said "No, none of that matters". Being unpredictable is not a positive on its own if the payoff leaves you hollow. We had this whole "find the map, find Luke" that then disappoints on so many levels. No wonder Mark wasn't thrilled by the direction they took Luke in, but give him credit for giving his best acting in this role.

The Last Jedi fails at being a great film or being fun entertainment for me. I was annoyed and bored and flat out confused by the tonal dissonance (everyone dies...quippy joke...everyone dies...quippy joke). I really don't care anymore and not even sure I'll bother with Han Solo or Episode IX. Maybe I'm old and grandma doesn't get what the kids like, but for me Star Wars ended in 1983. Fine if you enjoyed it just like people enjoyed the prequels, but I've lost hope in this series ever appealing to me again.

I guess I'll be skipping this one.
I've never been much of a Star Wars fan, although I enjoyed the original Star Wars (A New Hope) and Rogue One a considerable amount.

The prequels were so much better than the Last Jedi, they brought tons of new stuff despite being prequel. The world building was great.

The last Jedi gave us nothing except a tiny island with nothing and a casino.

It sucked and it broke the Star Wars universe forever.

The best Star Wars not named Empire Strikes Back.

When the tone shifts so far in a comedic direction that it resembles a live action version of Family Guy Blue Harvest or Robot Chicken more than it does a canon Star Wars film, then yeah, I don't welcome that sort of change.  There are plenty of parodies out there for a good laugh with the Star Wars universe already.  I don't need said universe to begin parodying itself.  I found it hard to enjoy the first 1/3 of The Last Jedi for this reason.

Last Jedis domestic take is dropping quick. The force awakens 17th day is about equal to the last Jedi's 4th day. Post initial weekend it's getting trashed by TFA and is barely ahead of rogue one
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=roguevforce.htm

I hope it continues dropping like a rock get rian Johnson as far away from Star Wars as possible.

Man the Last Jedi was excellent. It was really good. I've been reading the complaints and I see where a lot of them coming from, Hamil himself said that it felt Out of character for Luke to just give up.

Me? I'd like to believe that Luke learned a valuable lesson about Life. And that is No matter who you are, when it needs to / does Life will just cock over and sh*t on you and everything you love. It will make you take a hard look at yourself and ask those uncomfortable questions. It will sh*t on you. In the case of Luke, dude thought he was the sh*t...thought he was better than the darkside. And that night where his actions created Kylo Ren, it was then and there he began to question a lot of what he thought was right. He began to question himself and his Jedi way. He went to the temple to learn what the original intent of the jedi was. Their history and origins and he couldn't even bring himself to read the texts. Because at some point over the course of his journey he realized the magnitude of his failure. His reflection brought him to the conclusion that he didn't just fail.

He failed epically and potentially from the start of his journey. Because the Jedi ways he was taught by Yoda and Obi-Wan, were the same ways that saw the republic split in two and was the basis of the Clone Wars, the corruption of the Republic and by extension the Jedi themselves. Palpatine just took advantage of an already decaying situation. And Luke realized that, how much they failed. How much they lost as a result. He's thinking him intervening now without that strength of faith in the Jedi he had during the OT, would just make things worst.

In this regard Rey's ignorance makes her a perfect person to rebuild the order. She has no knowledge of lineage and history. She has no special destiny to live up to. She just has her texts and how she interprets them. A clean set of eyes.

I like to think Skywalkers are prone to falling to the darkside because they know too much about the force. They are intimately and intrinsically connected to the Force. They start doing evil things with altruistic reasons, because they can see so much more than the rest of the Galaxy.

Anakin thought the way to end the Clone Wars and bring peace to the Galaxy was to use his abilities to conquer it, whether in his name or the Empire's.

Luke thought that he was above the Dark side, that he was a proper Jedi that couldn't be seduced. Only he let Fear dictate his actions and as a result pushed Ben into becoming Kylo Ren.

Ben thought that his lineage's power would be enough for him to fulfill Vader's legacy. And in a way he has. The First Order is the largest and most powerful establishment in the Galaxy and Ren just became it's leader.