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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
Machiavellian said:
So Cohen hired an IT team to rig online polls. Is there no end to the corruption that was done by the Trump campaign. The funny part is that we are all to believe this was done without Trump knowledge like Manafort sending private polling data to a Russian agent.

And whats bad about sending polling data to a Russian agent?



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Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Whatever the U.S. goal was, which none of us know exactly. If they reached that goal, which we can at least assume was to put a halt to the ISIS agenda/terrorism, then I would agree they were victorious at that point in time. Military individuals typically aren't big into politics, especially when it comes to the MSM or social media. Why speak up when you don't need to and risk your career or more? Just because the enemy still exists doesn't mean they haven't been defeated. That's like saying Trump didn't defeat Hillary because the Dems still exist. Who cares when the Presidency was the goal?

It's really tough to move rock. That's probably why they voted for DT. The ballot may have said Donald Trump but his base knew it really stood for dynamite.

If your defense secretary quit because the President made a decision that was not in line with either him, the Pentagon or any of our allies, I would believe saying it was the US goal a far stretch.  Now if you want to say it was Trump decision then that would be more accurate.  As for your analogy, in war if your enemy still has a presence in a region and continue to make aggressive moves then NO, you did not defeat them.

Well it matters if the region is one they invaded or where they live and started. If you plan to take back everything they stole but leave them with what they had to begin with, then why couldn't that be considered defeating them, at that point in time?



EricHiggin said:
konnichiwa said:
ISIS is defeated! And then today ISIS claims a bombing that killed 2 US soldiers. In my opinion US goes out or stays in the end US should decide themself what they do but you realy can't claim ISIS is down.

Then you can't really claim any measurements for anything. Hillary never was defeated by Obama or Trump, climate change can't exist because it was never hotter or colder. ISIS was defeated at one point in time, but the only constant in life is change, so measurements are only the most useful at the time they were taken, and become less useful as time goes on. The Earth makes one full rotation every 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4 seconds, right now at this point in time, but is slowing down due to external effects, and will at some point end up at full 24 hour days. If a giant meteor we don't know about eventually shows up and slams into the planet, you can bet that rotation measurement will change as well, if we're alive to measure it.

It simply is a poor word of choice when ISIS has +30.000 militants in several regions that are trying to win over some Tribal regions to fight with them while being responsibe for daily attacks/carbombs. USA leaving is seen as a victory for ISIS and the recent killing of US servicemen is the icing on the cake.  Allied airattacks/Kurds are the biggest threats for ISIS but with US going out the allied air attacks will be less occuring and Kurds will have to spend more resources with the possibility of an attack of Turkish forces, the threat that ISIS will gain more militants and more territory after US leaving is a possibility. 






Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:
So Cohen hired an IT team to rig online polls. Is there no end to the corruption that was done by the Trump campaign. The funny part is that we are all to believe this was done without Trump knowledge like Manafort sending private polling data to a Russian agent.

And whats bad about sending polling data to a Russian agent?

Lets see.  Sharing that data and then having Russian agents use that data to target the same specific group with misinformation as they have done would mean that their was collusion between Trump campaign and Russia.  That bit of information validates the claims made against Trump campaign during the election time and disproves Trump who publicly stated numerous times there was no collusion between his campaign and Russia.

Collusion itself isn't a crime, but when you have the president publicly criticizing the FBI for doing their JOB, you have to wonder how deep this goes and do we start to throw conspiracy charges into the  mix.  Manafort already admitted to conspiracy against the US, now we need to know how deep that goes and to what involvement Trump had during this time.

This also builds the case of obstruction of justice which is a crime and which is what took Nixon down.  So the situation is that did Trump know what was going on and because of this knowledge, did he fire Comey to obstruct the investigation.  A lot is going on here and hopefully we will get to all of the Truth at some time.

Last edited by Machiavellian - on 18 January 2019

EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

If your defense secretary quit because the President made a decision that was not in line with either him, the Pentagon or any of our allies, I would believe saying it was the US goal a far stretch.  Now if you want to say it was Trump decision then that would be more accurate.  As for your analogy, in war if your enemy still has a presence in a region and continue to make aggressive moves then NO, you did not defeat them.

Well it matters if the region is one they invaded or where they live and started. If you plan to take back everything they stole but leave them with what they had to begin with, then why couldn't that be considered defeating them, at that point in time?

So who else is saying we defeated ISIS in the region.  Has any of the allies in that region saying the same thing.  Is anyone at the Pentagon, on the ground, generals you name it.  You tell me who else is making this claim.  Not even sure why you continue to run this what if scenario.  Hell, even when you try to defend Trump he only will disappoint you by walking back his statements.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-isis-defeated-claim-syria-troops-pull-out-2018-12

 



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Machiavellian said:
Immersiveunreality said:

And whats bad about sending polling data to a Russian agent?

Lets see.  Sharing that data and then having Russian agents use that data to target the same specific group with misinformation as they have done would mean that their was collusion between Trump campaign and Russia.  That bit of information validates the claims made against Trump campaign during the election time and disproves Trump who publicly stated numerous times there was no collusion between his campaign and Russia.

Collusion itself isn't a crime, but when you have the president publicly criticizing the FBI for doing their JOB, you have to wonder how deep this goes and do we start to throw conspiracy charges into the  mix.  Manafort already admitted to conspiracy against the US, now we need to know how deep that goes and to what involvement Trump had during this time.

This also builds the case of obstruction of justice which is a crime and which is what took Nixon down.  So the situation is that did Trump know what was going on and because of this knowledge, did he fire Comey to obstruct the investigation.  A lot is going on here and hopefully we will get to all of the Truth at some time.

But polling data should not be a secret and why is the focus on trumps campaign when Hillary also had russian resources and shared information with them?

But it is good you admit to be wrong with the bolded statement you made and i would say you and many others fall into the trap of the masshysteria that the left media brought us these recent years.



Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:

Lets see.  Sharing that data and then having Russian agents use that data to target the same specific group with misinformation as they have done would mean that their was collusion between Trump campaign and Russia.  That bit of information validates the claims made against Trump campaign during the election time and disproves Trump who publicly stated numerous times there was no collusion between his campaign and Russia.

Collusion itself isn't a crime, but when you have the president publicly criticizing the FBI for doing their JOB, you have to wonder how deep this goes and do we start to throw conspiracy charges into the  mix.  Manafort already admitted to conspiracy against the US, now we need to know how deep that goes and to what involvement Trump had during this time.

This also builds the case of obstruction of justice which is a crime and which is what took Nixon down.  So the situation is that did Trump know what was going on and because of this knowledge, did he fire Comey to obstruct the investigation.  A lot is going on here and hopefully we will get to all of the Truth at some time.

But polling data should not be a secret and why is the focus on trumps campaign when Hillary also had russian resources and shared information with them?

But it is good you admit to be wrong with the bolded statement you made and i would say you and many others fall into the trap of the masshysteria that the left media brought us these recent years.

Who said the polling data was secret, I said it was private.  Its the fact that he shared it with a Russian agent during Trump campaign.  You ask yourself, why would he share this information with anyone from Russia.  That would mean that Trump campaign coordinated their campaign with a foreign government.  Think long and hard why this would be a concern, especially if currently we have sanctions against that foreign government.  You seem to believe that such coordination is nothing special, but then we have the Trump tower meeting on government sanctions.  We have the Flynn meeting concerning government sanctions and now we are back to those same sanctions and the new sanctions Trump and his administration never put into place.  

As to Hillary, I have no clue what Russian resources you are talking about.  Would that be the Steele dossier, if so I hope you know the difference between getting information from a source and coordinating a campaign with a foreign government.  The distinction is totally different.

Anyway, I already see where this is going with the mass hysteria left media line.  I guess anything that questions about these events must be left, fake news or some other tired regurgitated line used to close the general public minds about just plain facts.

Edit:  I forgot to mention just because collusion itself isn't a crime it depends on what was happening to determine if there was.  It seems after 2 years we have only scratched the surface.  Every time we continue to find out more details about Trump campaign as more people get indicted.

Last edited by Machiavellian - on 18 January 2019

Machiavellian said:
Immersiveunreality said:

But polling data should not be a secret and why is the focus on trumps campaign when Hillary also had russian resources and shared information with them?

But it is good you admit to be wrong with the bolded statement you made and i would say you and many others fall into the trap of the masshysteria that the left media brought us these recent years.

Who said the polling data was secret, I said it was private.  Its the fact that he shared it with a Russian agent during Trump campaign.  You ask yourself, why would he share this information with anyone from Russia.  That would mean that Trump campaign coordinated their campaign with a foreign government.  Think long and hard why this would be a concern, especially if currently we have sanctions against that foreign government.  You seem to believe that such coordination is nothing special, but then we have the Trump tower meeting on government sanctions.  We have the Flynn meeting concerning government sanctions and now we are back to those same sanctions and the new sanctions Trump and his administration never put into place.  

As to Hillary, I have no clue what Russian resources you are talking about.  Would that be the Steele dossier, if so I hope you know the difference between getting information from a source and coordinating a campaign with a foreign government.  The distinction is totally different.

Anyway, I already see where this is going with the mass hysteria left media line.  I guess anything that questions about these events must be left, fake news or some other tired regurgitated line used to close the general public minds about just plain facts.

Edit:  I forgot to mention just because collusion itself isn't a crime it depends on what was happening to determine if there was.  It seems after 2 years we have only scratched the surface.  Every time we continue to find out more details about Trump campaign as more people get indicted.

To quote a famous politician.

At this point, what difference does it make?

 

But what incriminating info has been found in the 2 years multiple organization have spent extensively investigating Trump? Feel like the only thing found is that he had his lawyer pay a former playmate a couple hundred thousand to be quiet. 



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Not just Trump but the entire republican party.

How can ANYONE support this group? What a republican used to represent (autonomy, tradition, self-responsibility) is a thing of the past. Now it's all anti-science, anti-progress, gun toting religious nutjobs who hate the idea that the world could be a better place if we made some changes. "NO! I only want to stay sexist, racist, and religious and all you science lovin' faggots can stop taking my freedumbs away! and my guns, always my guns!" - That's how republicans sound to me every time they whine about how it's "Merry Christmas" instead of happy holidays, or how climate change/global warming is a myth, or how they have the rights to their guns and don't want the gub'mint taking their guns int he wake of yet another mass shooting. That's why I am baffled that, in the presence of such progress and all the discoveries we've made over the past couple of decades, people still vote republican.

The political party is no longer about responsibility and autonomy, it's about regression and/or tradition in the face of progress.

And I've never seen "Endorsing gay marriage to own the repubs" but I've seen SO many pathetic instances of "Burning my nikes to own the libs". Sad. Pathetic. There shouldn't even be a debate at this point: modern republicans are the bad guys and will not be looked back upon with fondness once Trump is impeached or otherwise taken out of office (be it in 2020 or earlier, depending on whether these investigations have any weight to them.)



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irstupid said:
Machiavellian said:

Who said the polling data was secret, I said it was private.  Its the fact that he shared it with a Russian agent during Trump campaign.  You ask yourself, why would he share this information with anyone from Russia.  That would mean that Trump campaign coordinated their campaign with a foreign government.  Think long and hard why this would be a concern, especially if currently we have sanctions against that foreign government.  You seem to believe that such coordination is nothing special, but then we have the Trump tower meeting on government sanctions.  We have the Flynn meeting concerning government sanctions and now we are back to those same sanctions and the new sanctions Trump and his administration never put into place.  

As to Hillary, I have no clue what Russian resources you are talking about.  Would that be the Steele dossier, if so I hope you know the difference between getting information from a source and coordinating a campaign with a foreign government.  The distinction is totally different.

Anyway, I already see where this is going with the mass hysteria left media line.  I guess anything that questions about these events must be left, fake news or some other tired regurgitated line used to close the general public minds about just plain facts.

Edit:  I forgot to mention just because collusion itself isn't a crime it depends on what was happening to determine if there was.  It seems after 2 years we have only scratched the surface.  Every time we continue to find out more details about Trump campaign as more people get indicted.

To quote a famous politician.

At this point, what difference does it make?

 

But what incriminating info has been found in the 2 years multiple organization have spent extensively investigating Trump? Feel like the only thing found is that he had his lawyer pay a former playmate a couple hundred thousand to be quiet. 

You forgot about the latest piece of info where he payed his lawyer to hack online polls or he payed his lawyer to lie to congress concerning his negotiations for a Trump Hotel in Russia.  You know that part that is considered to be obstruction of justice and a criminal offense.  I guess none of it really matter since it just lefty media mass hysteria nonsense.  I guess with politics, no one cares unless its the opposition doing the dirty work.