contestgamer said:
Make it a fictional enemy group. Or if you want Nazis at least WW 2 Nazis since thats a very specific strain that is based on reality that we fought a war against |
I don't understand how at all you've come to this conclusion.
Fuck nazis | |||
Hell yeah | 139 | 100.00% | |
Total: | 139 |
contestgamer said:
Make it a fictional enemy group. Or if you want Nazis at least WW 2 Nazis since thats a very specific strain that is based on reality that we fought a war against |
I don't understand how at all you've come to this conclusion.
contestgamer said:
Once you start getting in to who is vile and despised in real life you're entering a slippery slope. Atheists are despised by millions. Gays are despised by millions. Jews are despised by millions. We shouldnt advocate for violence against ANY group. Problem is that games like this in the current political climate are just further whipping up anti nazi hysteria and it's going to lead to more violence from Antifa, with some people justifying violence against Nazi's because they're bad people. I would agree, Nazi's are pretty terrible, but violence isnt acceptable against any group. |
Nazis aren't like atheists or jews. They don't hold a collective belief that millions of people should be dead. Stop using this accusation of me using a slippery slope fallacy when I'm not.
the-pi-guy said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TJOjAKL7Qs
Antifa isn't anywhere near as violent as they are shown off to be. Their crime rates are in line with football games. |
and the crime rates of the nazis they're fighting? Maybe you should look those up. Becuase it appears to me that they appear to commit less crime than Antifa, so maybe you shouldn't raise that point next time.
Errorist76 said:
This doesn't let me go, sorry...I'm sorry but racism and fascim are just crimes on humanity and should be treated as that in any 'free' society. Racism is not an opinion. Racism is a crime. It's a misconception due to lack of empathy and experience. It's definitely an alarming sign when people are more inclined to demonise the ANTIFA instead of the real "NAZIS" of today. |
Who gets to decide what is racist and what isn't?
Aeolus451 said:
Does every gay person need to be an advocate for homosexuality or can they live their own lives? Does it mean that he hates himself if he doesn't want to go around with the prescribed ideology? A jew can't be a nazi or neo nazi. I've seen alot of dumbies call people like Milo and Ben Shapiro nazis. Words have meaning. |
I think many people have made it clear in this thread that they believe that that if people are not actively against something, it's the same as being for it. Hate nazis but don't support Antifa? Well clearly you must be a nazi. I've seen it time and time and time again. This horrifically divisive attitude findinging a way to create division amonst each other is slowly but sure devolving society into a point where everyone is forced to pick a side and perfectly walk the party line lest they be cast out the moment they're not perfect for the side they're chosen.
contestgamer said:
I'm not sure how your post is relevant. Obviously the reason various people hate jews come from ignorance. It doesn't change the fact that a large number of people subscribe to those kind of ignorant views |
I like how your post makes no sense and yet you question the relevance of mine. lmao
I asked you questions based on the statment you made. That's all the relevance you need from the first part. And you couldn't even do that much.
What you have done, however, is prove the fact that those who persucuted Jews had no legitimate reason to do so. On the other hand, the despise of Nazis is grounded in their actions and beliefs, which is heavily recorded.
So essentially your argument boils down to this:
"I'm not strawmanning. All I'm saying is that killing the factually despicable Nazis is the exact same thing as killing Jewish people, despite the fact that the only people who deemed them despicable were ignorant and factually despicable themselves (Nazis). So if you're gonna make a game about killing a murderous group of people who essentially wanted mass genocide excluding those in their group, be sure you can do the same for innocent people who weren't!"
This is beyond sad. Why are you acting like Nazis are a bunch of fucking victims?
100% in a poll at Vgchartz? Holy... shit. haha
StarOcean said:
No. I do not believe in free speech. It allows for hate groups to exist. Any hate ideologies such as Nazism, racism, sexism, etc in their purest form (not the bastardized versions) should be punished. We send terrorists to Guantonomo Bay, solitary confinement indefinitely for many of them. That's what would be done to those sorts of people. There aren't many people like it thankfully, but they deserve no platform to spread their idealogies and must be stopped at the source. |
Except we have to define what's racist or sexist and what's not. This is where there is a big divide.
The issue in 2017 isn't that Nazis are bad; they and their hateful ideology will always be the gold standard example for the worst of humanity over the past century, and no amount of historical whitewashing (pardon the pun) will ever change that.
No, the issue is that somewhere along the way, the flip side of the extremist coin somehow became fashionable where violence for political purposes (or any purpose really) is A-OK, as long as it is directed towards "Nazis" / white supremacists / the alt-right, which in 2017 roughly translates to "anyone who is politically to the right of Marx / Mao / Stalin."
We now have self proclaimed "anti-fascist" groups who unironically use fascist tactics to shut down their opponents and force their own views on others, all in the name of opposing Nazis and fascism of course (because there's a real Nazi / fascism problem all around the globe in 2017, right?) Nazi = bad, therefore anything anti-Nazi, up to and including anarcho-communism, is automatically good. Basically today you have Godwin's Law being employed in real life by the progressive / far left wing of the political sphere, where everything they're opposed to is Hitler.
As for video games, Nazi's have been used in popular entertainment culture as the archetypal villain for decades now (Indiana Jones, anyone?). This is not controversial, and Nazis will continued to be used as said generic villains because they're the only group of people you can constantly recycle in movies and videogames as endless cannon fodder without offending someone. So kill all the Nazis you want in movies and videogames, but just remember one thing the next time you start having fantasies about punching so-called "Nazis" in real life. The real ones punch back.
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monocle_layton said: https://www.avclub.com/nazi-killing-video-game-adopts-controversial-anti-nazi-1819203208
It's absolutely bizarre to see Wolfenstein II suddenly be 'controversial' for the game involving you killing nazis.
Who actually cares about the people getting offended? Last time I recalled, they were the ones who went on about free speech...
Hopefully more games stick to their guns. Nazis deserve all the hatred they get |
I agree about Wolfenstein, since it is a game set in a fictional alternate universe, but you realize that not every German soldier in WW2 was also a Nazi, right? I wonder how COD will handl the subject, since the game is much more based in reality.
“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”
- George Orwell, ‘1984’