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NawaiNey on 16 July 2017
Kuksenkov said:
NawaiNey said:

PS4 owners have a ton of games to choose from though, It's not like it's the only game worth buying on the console, unlike Zelda on Switch.

PS4 install base is huge and they inevitably have very diverse tastes, while only people who have a switch right now are the Zelda fans as that's the only worthwhile game on the console.

BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT EVERY TIME!!

 

To dismiss the small but pretty good catalog of titles available on Switch is stupid.

 

Disgaea, ARMS, FAST RMX, I Am Setsuna, Shantae, Mario Kart, The Binding of Isaac, etc. Those are all pretty decent games that fill in for different genres. It also seems like developers are making money out of their titles on Switch: Snipperclips, Kamiko, FAST RMX, Disgaea; they're all selling pretty well and their developers/publishers/whatever have been vocal about it. 

 

If you're going to make up excuses as to why Zelda has sold pretty well and Horizon hasn't set the world on fire like the fanboys wanted, at least put some effort into it.

Those are all old games and barring Mario kart none have sold well.

What's bullshit is fanboys using the install base excuse for why an established franchise like Zelda is even in competition with a brand new IP like Horizon. It's like if Call of Duty was going neck in neck with Splatoon.lol



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Kuksenkov on 16 July 2017
NawaiNey said:
Kuksenkov said:

BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT EVERY TIME!!

 

To dismiss the small but pretty good catalog of titles available on Switch is stupid.

 

Disgaea, ARMS, FAST RMX, I Am Setsuna, Shantae, Mario Kart, The Binding of Isaac, etc. Those are all pretty decent games that fill in for different genres. It also seems like developers are making money out of their titles on Switch: Snipperclips, Kamiko, FAST RMX, Disgaea; they're all selling pretty well and their developers/publishers/whatever have been vocal about it. 

 

If you're going to make up excuses as to why Zelda has sold pretty well and Horizon hasn't set the world on fire like the fanboys wanted, at least put some effort into it.

Those are all old games and barring Mario kart none have sold well.

What's bullshit is fanboys using the install base excuse for why an established franchise like Zelda is even in competition with a brand new IP like Horizon. It's like if Call of Duty was going neck in neck with Splatoon.lol

Oh so now sales also matter for those titles? They have to be great sellers to be considered "worthwhile"? Go kiss your PS4 good night, log off.



NawaiNey on 16 July 2017
Kai_Mao said:
NawaiNey said:

PS4 owners have a ton of games to choose from though, It's not like it's the only game worth buying on the console, unlike Zelda on Switch.

PS4 install base is huge and they inevitably have very diverse tastes, while only people who have a switch right now are the Zelda fans as that's the only worthwhile game on the console.

But also consider people investing in a $300 new console for Zelda. It's also on Wii U so why did more people opt to buy a Switch, an entirely new console, for Zelda? Then you have other games like Snipperclips, ARMS, Splatoon 2 (which is a dominating force in Japan right now along with DQXI, even out preordering the PS4 version), Mario Odyssey (one of the biggest games that stood out at E3), FE Warriors, and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 for this entire first year in terms of first party. Not to mention enhanced ports of Mario Kart 8 and Pokken. Kinda like TLoU Remastered, God of War 3 Remastered and others on the PS4 right? Of course you have the future with Kirby, Yoshi, Metroid, Fire Emblem, and, one of the empires of the industry, Pokémon. At least look at the lineup for this first year before mentioning that last sentence. It's not just Zelda fans like you assume.

There's really nothing to consider, any new console coming out will sell millions at the start, and those people will buy whatever few games are out for it at the time. For switch it happens to Zelda that's the default go to game, even those who wouldn't normally buy a Zelda if it came later in the console's life are picking it up just cause. They may or may not be buying it for Zelda, surely anyone buying it knows there will be more games down the line, but right now it's really it. 

MS and Nintendo fans acting like install base means more sales for every game is simply annoying at this point. Twilight Princess of a 100 million installbase didn't sell more than Ocarina of Time on what like 30 million installbase? And Windwaker on a 20 million installbase outsold Skyward sword on a 100 million installbase. Super Mario 64 on 30 million installbase sold more than Mario Galaxy on a 100 million installbase. Installbase doesn't increase individual game sales by a 1:1 ratio like you guys are pretending. Bigger installbase usually means a more diverse audience, it means more type of games will likely find an audience, not that they're all gonna buy the same 5 games.



NawaiNey on 16 July 2017
Kuksenkov said:
NawaiNey said:

Those are all old games and barring Mario kart none have sold well.

What's bullshit is fanboys using the install base excuse for why an established franchise like Zelda is even in competition with a brand new IP like Horizon. It's like if Call of Duty was going neck in neck with Splatoon.lol

Oh so now sales also matter for those titles? They have to be great sellers to be considered "worthwhile"? Go kiss your PS4 good night, log off.

They don't have to sell to be great, but they're old games that people have likely played elsewhere in some cases YEARS ago on PS4...



Mnementh on 16 July 2017
NawaiNey said:
Kuksenkov said:

BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT EVERY TIME!!

 

To dismiss the small but pretty good catalog of titles available on Switch is stupid.

 

Disgaea, ARMS, FAST RMX, I Am Setsuna, Shantae, Mario Kart, The Binding of Isaac, etc. Those are all pretty decent games that fill in for different genres. It also seems like developers are making money out of their titles on Switch: Snipperclips, Kamiko, FAST RMX, Disgaea; they're all selling pretty well and their developers/publishers/whatever have been vocal about it. 

 

If you're going to make up excuses as to why Zelda has sold pretty well and Horizon hasn't set the world on fire like the fanboys wanted, at least put some effort into it.

Those are all old games and barring Mario kart none have sold well.

What's bullshit is fanboys using the install base excuse for why an established franchise like Zelda is even in competition with a brand new IP like Horizon. It's like if Call of Duty was going neck in neck with Splatoon.lol

As BOTW is on trail to outsell all previous Zelda-games it isn't that BOTW performs bad, only that Horizon did better than expected. A feat that shouldn't be diminished. Fact stays though, that Zelda outsells Horizon. That is a simple and clear fact despite all fanboy bullshit regarding Switch install base and regarding all fanboy bullshit regarding competition on the PS4. We all know, that both of these excuses don't have a major influence on game-sales.



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curl-6 on 16 July 2017

Horizon may be a new IP but it's not the scrappy underdog a lot of people are making it out to be; it's still a AAA first party blockbuster with the mammoth resources of SCE and a huge marketing push behind it.

Now that's not to negate or downplay its success, but this impression some people are giving that this is some kind of David vs Goliath scenario where Zelda plays the giant just isn't true.



zorg1000 on 16 July 2017
Barkley said:

We know Horizon has sold 3.4m as of April 30th

and according to Nintendo, BotW Switch version was at 2.76m as of March 31.

Do April sales push it beyond 3.4m?



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Zekkyou on 17 July 2017
SpokenTruth said:
Zekkyou said:

There's no denying Zelda's a huge success (nor that it's an overall bigger success than Horizon), but i can't help but cringe every time i see comparisons like this made :p It's like flipping a coin, but always doing it again if it's not a heads. In the absence of its accompanying variables it's effectively pointless.

But we're talking about comparing a game that is limited by the install base to a game that is not.  Despite the practically 100% attach rate, Zelda not going to sell more than the console itself (though it actually did in the US for a few weeks) which makes the comparison asinine if you dont take that into consideration.

You're absolutely right that it has to be taken into consideration (more so for Zelda than average even), but it's also a highly context dependent variable. I expect in this instance you were doing it in response to Kerotan doing the same, but i always wince regardless :p



Heavenly_King on 17 July 2017

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VideoGameAccountant on 17 July 2017

I see a lot of mention of install bases but one thing I see people forgetting is that first party software's goal is to drive the install base. Zelda is definitely doing that.

Horizon doesn't seem to be doing that. The install base matter as that means there are 60 mil + PS4 owners who could buy the game, but at the same time, customers aren't rushing out to get a PS4 to have this game like they are Zelda. I think that is the major difference between these two games.



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