Forums - Politics Discussion - Trumpcare Would Leave 22 Million Uninsured But Give The Wealthy $250,000 Tax Break

Zod95 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

 Our unemployed are probably the fattest people in this country. So I assure you I have little concern for them starving.
https://www.wired.com/2012/06/homeless-obesity/

I have no problem paying for the healthcare of those who genuinely can't work. But maybe some of the 22 million is people just making bad choices.

If you think people are unemployed because they don't want to work, you need to make a serious tour across the country. You'll learn a lot.

I tell you people that don't want to work. Those 350 multi-millionaires that do nothing all day but spend tons of money. Most probably, they never worked in their lives. They don't even know what that is.

I said some. It may just be a few million, it could be most of that 22 million. Unfortunately its hard to find accurate figures why so many rely on Obamacare.

Ultimately, able body people shouldn't get FREE health unless they have a damn good reason. I've literally seen entitlements ruin people in my family. The mom got welfare, the daughter eventually got welfare, now their kids are a new generation relying on welfare. It literally ruins people to know they can live fairly comfortably on government handouts. Its good intentions actually doing something evil, killing any ambition.

Unfortunately, you can't blame the rich for these poor lifestyle choices.



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Shit, my grandmother is a disabled patient and needs 24/7 professional care. Really hope this doesn't drive costs up. Hard enough with someone who constantly needs both a legit caretaker and family members at all times



Locknuts said:
You are entitled to nothing. The federal government's job is to protect it's citizens from foreign aggression. Healthcare is not a human right.

Why not? Do we not deserve to let people live? Not everyone can afford the outrageous costs for medical bills. A $4000 MRI is flat-out insane.

 

The United States' healthcare system needs to be fixed. Any Canadians/Australians/Europeans who'd like to talk about theirs? 



And the funny thing is, those dumb Trump supporters will be cheering on their own death.



AlfredoTurkey said:
shikamaru317 said:
Both ObamaCare and TrumpCare suck ass.

At least with Obama, millions of working poor had some form of health care and they didn't have to die if they got seriously ill. The US needs universal health care. It should be a right, not a privilege. 

They could before, they can now and likely they will be able to go to the emergency room after this bill and not be denied care. This argument is a falacy.



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Mr Puggsly said:

I said some. It may just be a few million, it could be most of that 22 million. Unfortunately its hard to find accurate figures why so many rely on Obamacare.

Ultimately, able body people shouldn't get FREE health unless they have a damn good reason. I've literally seen entitlements ruin people in my family. The mom got welfare, the daughter eventually got welfare, now their kids are a new generation relying on welfare. It literally ruins people to know they can live fairly comfortably on government handouts. Its good intentions actually doing something evil, killing any ambition.

Unfortunately, you can't blame the rich for these poor lifestyle choices.

Some? That's more than obvious. In 22 000 000 people, some will definitely be in the "making bad choices" basket. But even those shouldn't be left for dead by any disease. They're human beings after all.

So many rely on Obamacare because healthcare is crazy expensive in the USA. Moreover, do you know how many people rely on public healthcare in Finland? Nearly 100%. And the country isn't bankrupt.

I give you a damn good reason: they don't find a job. People with perfect body, perfect mind, willingness to work, a strong desire to start a career, to stop living in their parents homes, to start a family and a life on their own sometimes can't - find - a - job. You know why? Because employers have thousands to choose from.

Your family is not the universe. There's world besises your family. Entire countries do welfare and it works. Moreoever, we are discussing healthcare, not welfare.

I don't blame the rich for every problem in the world. I just think some of them should experience 1 month being poor and then they would probably have a different view about healthcare, unemployment and even welfare. Imagine of those 4 weeks: 1 starving, 1 struggling to get a job and 2 working on a sh***y job they had to beg to get, while using basic healthcare and having their kids on public schools. Most of them would get those totally new mindsets we see CEOs getting on Undercover Boss. Many rich people live on a welfare bubble and lack total empathy for poor people.



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The_Yoda said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

At least with Obama, millions of working poor had some form of health care and they didn't have to die if they got seriously ill. The US needs universal health care. It should be a right, not a privilege. 

They could before, they can now ansad likely they will be able to go to the emergency room after this bill and not be denied care. This argument is a falacy.

Ah yes, the same tired GOP argument that's been beaten into the ground. 

ER access won't do you a lick of good if you're dying of cancer especially if you can't afford treatment which is exactly what this draconian bill entails.



The_Yoda said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

At least with Obama, millions of working poor had some form of health care and they didn't have to die if they got seriously ill. The US needs universal health care. It should be a right, not a privilege. 

They could before, they can now and likely they will be able to go to the emergency room after this bill and not be denied care. This argument is a falacy.

They could before? Only if they had kids. A single or married person not on disablity could not get Medicaid. You could only receive it if you had a child or children. They can now in most states.



Zod95 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I said some. It may just be a few million, it could be most of that 22 million. Unfortunately its hard to find accurate figures why so many rely on Obamacare.

Ultimately, able body people shouldn't get FREE health unless they have a damn good reason. I've literally seen entitlements ruin people in my family. The mom got welfare, the daughter eventually got welfare, now their kids are a new generation relying on welfare. It literally ruins people to know they can live fairly comfortably on government handouts. Its good intentions actually doing something evil, killing any ambition.

Unfortunately, you can't blame the rich for these poor lifestyle choices.

Some? That's more than obvious. In 22 000 000 people, some will definitely be in the "making bad choices" basket. But even those shouldn't be left for dead by any disease. They're human beings after all.

So many rely on Obamacare because healthcare is crazy expensive in the USA. Moreover, do you know how many people rely on public healthcare in Finland? Nearly 100%. And the country isn't bankrupt.

I give you a damn good reason: they don't find a job. People with perfect body, perfect mind, willingness to work, a strong desire to start a career, to stop living in their parents homes, to start a family and a life on their own sometimes can't - find - a - job. You know why? Because employers have thousands to choose from.

Your family is not the universe. There's world besises your family. Entire countries do welfare and it works. Moreoever, we are discussing healthcare, not welfare.

I don't blame the rich for every problem in the world. I just think some of them should experience 1 month being poor and then they would probably have a different view about healthcare, unemployment and even welfare. Imagine of those 4 weeks: 1 starving, 1 struggling to get a job and 2 working on a sh***y job they had to beg to get, while using basic healthcare and having their kids on public schools. Most of them would get those totally new mindsets we see CEOs getting on Undercover Boss. Many rich people live on a welfare bubble and lack total empathy for poor people.

Less resources invested in parasites makes it easier to support people that really need it. We both want people helped, but I genuinely believe too many entitlements ruins people and takes away ambition. More importantly what were doing now is not sustainable.

I would like everybody to get access to quality healthcare, but again our governement hasnt found a way to make it more affordable. Solve that first and then consider free. Dont just throw a limitless fund into it and make everybody pay more.

My family is not everyone but its literally communities. I blame government for creating this

The rich dont need to learn poor people problems. Just make them pay fairly high taxes. But also dont discourage them from potentially creating jobs.



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Newsflash: There are millions of uninsured people TODAY who are forced to pay the ObamaCare "penalty" (aka TAX) because they can't afford the actual health coverage under ObamaCare, or they just don't want to spend their hard earned money on inferior healthcare that has high premiums / deductibles.

'Member when President Obama said "if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan?" Or, "if you like your Doctor, you can keep your Doctor?" Or even better... "the Affordable Care Act (sorry, I just threw up in my mouth a little) will save the average family $2,500 a year?"

I 'member. And then it got passed and put into place, and EVERYONE'S premiums went up while insurers were either forced out of the market altogether or offered limited options through the ACA, and millions of people lost access to their preferred Drs and hospitals of choice.

Obama lied, people died.



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