I mean, it's true.

No one is saying the PS4 isn't doing anything good- it is. Heck, almost everything is going fine for it. However, there's no doubting that the Wii U's miserable life and the cringey/infuriating first year of Xbox One basically set the way for ps4 to win by a ridiculous margin

Had XB1 not been garbage at the beginning, it would've been closer, I'd say something like 35-40:60, meaning something around a 2:3 ratio. Still would've been PS4's advantage, but it'd be similar to the Wii where other consoles still did well

That is insane. When I bought the Wii U at launch I didn't really care about it's sales. Didn't know only quite a few people had it. 

It's no different then ps3 gen.  If Sony didn't fuck up they'd have won.  This gen if Microsoft and Nintendo didn't fuck up ps4 would have won by less. 

This.  I personally believe Iwata gave his life to help get Nintendo back on track... no average person would put that kind of hard work and devotion just weeks before dying.  That is a big part of why his death was such a shock to us, we all thought that he was in decent health given that he was still producing Directs, etc...  

I said (with hope) two years ago after his death that Iwata's last gift to gamers might be the NX, and I do believe that his sacrifice won't be in vain.  Iwata might have been what prevents Nintendo from going the way of Sega (at least for another decade) and keeping a living piece of gaming history alive for a new generation of gamers to experience.  There may yet be another generation of kids who will get to grow up experiencing the joys of unboxing a game cartridge or playing a Mario game that doesn't involve a smartphone!

I haven't, but that's different than denying that PS4 easily won the gen. I mean, after all, Nintendo and Microsoft really screwed up, but that doesn't take the merits from Sony/PS in any way... I don't see the conection. 

Denying would be saying that XB1 or Wii U would outsell PS4, which some people said during the early days of the gen (1st year mostly), but that's pretty common because at that point things weren't 100% cristal clear. I think since 2015 everyone (at least 99%) accepted that PS4 would easily win the gen.

Their screwup resulted in their lowest selling console which still sold 80 million. Nowhere near as bad as this gen. Gen 7 had no flops. 80m from 360 and ps3, 100m from wii, 80 m from psp, and a whopping 150 from ds. Much different than this gen where 3ds obliterated the vita and ps4 stood as king

I wouldn't call the PS3 a flop per se, but going from undisputed 1st place at over 75% market share with the PS2 to barely escaping third place with a 30% market share isn't exactly a success either.

I know people tend to forget, but the problem with ps3 wasnt the sales, but actually sony losing money, wasnt it? 

Yeah, Sony haemorrhaged billions of dollars on the PS3.

This speaks more to how poorly the Wii U sold than how well the Switch is doing. It is far too early to make any serious judgement about the Switch's sales performance.